Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Lei (Chinese cricketer)


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The result was keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 15:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wang Lei (Chinese cricketer)

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The subject of the Wang Lei (Chinese cricketer) article fails WP:CRIN. He has not played major cricket and not taken part in an ICC World Cup Qualifier (CricketArchive link). I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason as Wang Lei:
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 * (Cricinfo link) Nev1 (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - by my reading does meet WP:CRIN, as he has played in the 2009 ACC Twenty20 Cup which is a international Twenty20 tournament. Codf1977 (talk) 21:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Wang Lei, per Codf1997 - though, does the same go for the other three nominees? UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 21:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Major cricket refers to first-class, list A, and twenty20 cricket. The matches in the ACC T20 Cup do not have status as official T20 matches as demonstrates by the empty player records on Cricinfo nor CricketArchive. Nev1 (talk) 21:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * that may be splitting hairs as a plain text reading of the section in WP:CRIN (The major cricket qualification includes any player or umpire who has appeared in a Test match since 1877; or in a limited overs international (including Twenty20 internationals) since 1971) makes no reference to player records on Cricinfo nor CricketArchive – this guy is the captain of his national side in a major sport– he is clearly notable. Codf1977 (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, they were not recognised as international matches, let alone official T20s. Nev1 (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you are splitting hairs - two national teams playing a match is a international. That aside he does meet the WP:ATH test. Codf1977 (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

AssociateAffiliate (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - As mentioned above he played in the 2009 ACC Twenty20 Cup, which are recognised by the ICC and ACC as international matches, but with no official Twenty20 International status. Also Lei is the China national cricket teams first captain, which should mean he is worthy of an article.
 * Keep - All four have played in matches recognised as official internationals by both the regional and international governing bodies of the sport. Andrew nixon (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions.  —wjemather bigissue  23:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Khalid Butt - has played in ICC World Cup qualifying as per WP:Cricket notability guidelines. Hack (talk) 02:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Wang Lei. Matches not accredited as first-class equivalent. And given that China were mauled 230 odd to 20 odd by the likes of UAE and Hong Kong, rightly so. HK were outscored about 4-1 by a very bored and disinterested Indian team here so you can imagine the standard of these teams. Clearly nowhere near FC or equivalent  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket )  05:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What does the quality of a team have to do with the notability of their players? If a first-class team had a similar record would you argue for the deletion of articles on their players? Probably not. The restriction of notability to first-class, List A and official T20 players is a great failing of WP:Cricket. We have the situation where people are arguing for the non-notability of an international sportsman when they would argue for the notability of a player who played one first-class game for a relatively minor team that no longer exists in the 1840s! Andrew nixon (talk) 07:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if China as a team signed up in some kind of local competition, or the individual players in grade cricket, they would not even play in second tier suburban cricket. Patrick Ochan who played for Uganda went on the run and applied for asylum in Australia and in the meantime he played B-grade cricket in Adelaide. As Uganda are at roughly the same level as UAE and HK etc, and China can only score about 10-20% of these teams, they would probably be in D-grade in suburban cricket. They aren't at first-class standard, and it's good that CRIN is the way it is, otherwise folks who play in B-grade suburban cricket will also get stories in local suburban newspapers and as they are of a higher standard and also have RSes, would also have a claim to their own article  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket )  07:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference here is that these are international players, not grade cricket players. An international sportsman in a major international sport is inherently notable. A low level club cricketer is not. The quality of the national team may be poor, but they are still an international team. To use another sport, the American Samoa national football team lost 34-0 to Australia, making them the equivalent of a low level US soccer club, but their players are still notable as they are international sportsmen, whilst the low level US soccer club players wouldn't automatically be. Andrew nixon (talk) 07:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete As per YellowMonkey Cricket is a not a Global game like Soccer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Approximately 80 teams playing regular internationals isn't global enough? Andrew nixon (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * not a Global game - try telling that to the 1.1 Billion Indian's !! Codf1977 (talk) 07:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep If they're part of the national squad, that means they're professional athletes, and WP:DEFACTO comes in.  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Seems like it meets WP:ATH by having an international competition. GoCuse44 (talk) 03:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * incubate - bad articles dont ned to die 98.27.148.176 (talk) 02:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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