Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Qun (swimmer)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 14:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Wang Qun (swimmer)

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Fails WP:NSPORTS. Outdated claim of "will compete for Team China at the 2008 Summer Olympics" but never did, see link in Chinese and sports-reference.com, where you can't find her profile (had she participated in the Olympics you would.) Only reference seems to build on the "prediction" that she would participate in 2008 Olympics. This link in Chinese says she was overhyped after winning the gold medal at the 2005 East Asian Games, but never realized her potential afterwards, and it also seems to me that this was her only major achievement. (Again, East Asian Games?) As far as I can tell, never participated in World Championships either. Chinese wiki page is basically a mirror of the English wiki page, containing the same (outdated) info. Timmyshin (talk) 09:36, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - silver medalist at 2010 Asian Games, as clearly stated in her official bio linked from the page. —Мандичка YO 😜 12:49, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And why does this make her notable? The Asian Games is not considered very prestigious in many Asian countries, and sometimes is participated by younger players looking for exposures. I don't see WP:NSPORTS having guidelines for swimmers, except "has been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject." which doesn't apply to her. Again, she has never participated in, or I shall say, qualified for the Olympics or World Championships. And if you look at that "official bio" you'd see she never finished better than 2nd in China's national competitions. Timmyshin (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The Asian Games are a very notable event, as continental championships, and the second largest event behind the Olympic Games. Your claim that the Asian Games are not considered prestigious "in many Asian countries" is highly lame - it's second in prestige only to the Olympics. It's a huge deal especially in China, especially in the Asian Games held in Guangzhou! Being second at national championships means you're the second-best in the country in that event, which when it comes to China, is pretty good, so I don't know what your point there is.  —Мандичка YO 😜 18:02, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How did you come up with "second in prestige to the Olympics"? "Large" doesn't mean "prestigious" or else Chinese domestic events would be more prestigious than, say, African events. I was in Guangzhou in December 2010 so I think I know how prestigious or notable (or not) this event is, and I follow several sports in Asia very closely, so I can tell you that most countries in the sports I follow treat Asian Games far less importantly than Asian Championships (qualifiers for Olympics), and usually send young players to Asian Games only for experience. Some countries consider Asian Games very important, like South Korea, but not China. Second in China may be "pretty good", except when that's your best result considering that a swimmer like her participates in several categories, e.g. medley, breaststroke, freestyle, 100m, 400m, 200m, individual, team relay, etc., in other words, considering there are the 2 major events of the Chinese National Championships and the Chinese National Games, having only 1 second-place finish and 1 third-place finish in several years is I believe mediocre. Timmyshin (talk) 18:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Your claim that China does not consider the Asian Games very important is totally unfounded. The Asian Games have LONG been of huge importance to China, in some cases, more important than the world championships. You are now trying to argue that (without any evidence) that someone is not notable if they medal at a notable event because certain countries don't consider it notable. For amateur Olympic sports, outside the Olympics, the world championships and continental championships/games are the most prestigious (plus Commonwealth Games for those countries).  —Мандичка YO 😜 08:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:NSPORTS does not have explicit criteria for swimmers, but it does consider the Asian Games an "elite international competition". Winning a silver medal at such an event certainly makes her notable. WP:NTRACK considers Asian Games medalists in athletics as notable, and I don't see why swimmers should be treated differently. -Zanhe (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


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