Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang ba dan

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 06:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Wang ba dan
WP:WINAD. Delete all foreign language dicdefs, of which this is an example. Already been transwikied. Dmcdevit July 9, 2005 01:15 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator -mysekurity 9 July 2005 03:16 (UTC)
 * Delete foreign dicdef. JamesBurns 9 July 2005 04:17 (UTC)
 * Keep, like fuck. Kappa 9 July 2005 08:54 (UTC)
 * Keep, but please expand. Ditto on Kappa's comment. Redwolf24 9 July 2005 08:55 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wang ba dan is obviously different from fuck. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 9 July 2005 15:53 (UTC)
 * Delete, like fuck, except not notable in English. Foreign dicdef. Fernando Rizo 9 July 2005 18:02 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is it already transwikied to Wiktionary? (Conditional) keep iff it is expanded to include encyclopaedic information such as its sociolinguistic implications. &mdash; Instantnood July 9, 2005 18:04 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am quite sceptical that it is wikipedia material and has enough content to the extent of other profane words like fuck.--Huaiwei 21:11, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. nn. "王八旦" returns less than 600 hits on Google. —Tokek 21:19, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Um yeah, the last character was wrong, or at least an uncommon variation. "王八蛋" gets 267,000 hits . Kappa 23:56, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree with Instantnood. Keep the article if someone can expand it to include further analysis of the cultural origins, usage, and ramifications of the insult.  Translations of the term, usually as "turtle egg", appear frequently in English-language texts about China.  Googling "turtle egg Chinese insult" alone generates 36700 hits.  However, many of the references on- and off-line fail to give any direct explanations of the meaning, etymology, connotations of illegitimacy ("hatching" from a turtle's egg), and what this divulges about the paramount importance of family and ancestral lineage in Chinese culture. For an example, if I remember correctly, Adeline Yen Mah's bestselling memoir "Falling Leaves" recalls how the Red Guards called her Aunt "turtle egg" while ransacking her house but only indicates to the English-language reader that this is a grave insult and does not discuss the baggage attached to the term.  Future editors of the article should mention notorious public incidents (and political fallout thereof) in which the insult has been deployed, for instance, media entrepreneur Jimmy Lai's denunciation of Chinese Premier Li Peng as a "turtle's egg with zero IQ." .--Defrosted 06:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
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