Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Wangan Midnight. Am closing as redirect. There may be an argument for merging the content, and if an editor wants to do that, the content will be in the history. Ged UK  11:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune

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The article appears to fail the WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT guidelines. A reasonable search on Google, GNews and GBooks finds nothing that would indicate suitable independent reliable sources to demonstrate significant impact justifying a stand-alone article. Previous PROD removed and potential improvement discussed locally, now raising for wider discussion. Fæ (talk) 09:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  -- Fæ (talk) 09:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- Fæ (talk) 09:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: I'm pretty sure that there's an entry at gamefaqs.com (keyword: Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune). While the user-written walkthroughs are not of our interest, it nonetheless demonstrates there is such an arcade game exists. Following this I'd say keep this article, provided that we cut out the trivia sections afterwards. As for the cars and tracks listing, I think mentioning them without going into too much details would suffice. All other listings should go. --Blackhawk charlie2003 (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Pretty sure?  I would think you'd know...  -Addionne (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Too much trivial information contributed to irrelevant information being added as well. I'm still working on the trivial section as most of it is based on observations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anime4international (talk • contribs) 10:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: I retract my first decision on keeping the article. Secondary sources for the article are slim, in fact none. In my opinion, due to the fact that trivial information does not follow standards, it would be best to keep the article's information straightforward in Wangan Midnight. Until reliable sources are found, deleting the article would be the best option. Anime4international (talk) 04:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is a section at gamefaqs, however at that site anyone can write content.  Beyond that, the question is not whether or not the game exists or the article has content, it is whether the game has signficant coverage in reliable sources.  In this case, and in my opinion, the official website and a single user-generated listing at gamefaqs simply isn't enough.  It's possible more sources exist, but I have been unable to find them in my quick search...  -Addionne (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think that maybe this article can be rewritten into a style like Initial D Arcade Stage 4, plus the points that I've said earlier. It's still not too good, but it's better than what it is currently. As for the "proper" sources, I've yet to see IGN or similar sites to review this sort of arcade games, so it may be a bit of pain. (BTW I never thought that the stuff that I left to rot was dug up again, as practically there are no cabinets with the original WMT nowadays; plus I quitted playing it long ago) --Blackhawk charlie2003 (talk) 13:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've only seen user reviews on the game, but nothing major from possible reliable sources. Most of the information I've seen on the article are based on observations during gameplay, and where they were sourced, does not meet standards. Though the official website is a step forward, it is still not enough to make the article notable. I have a PDF manual of the game's cabinet system, but likely it does not state any gameplay whatsoever. Anime4international (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Perhaps a merge or redirect should've been considered, as suggested by WP:PRODUCT. Wangan Midnight and List of Namco Bandai games are possible targets. In the meantime I'll check through the Japanese language google hits. Marasmusine (talk) 11:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarification of nomination - The nomination was for deletion discussion, not just Keep or Delete. As per WP:DELPRO possible outcomes of this discussion include merge, userfy or redirect. Fæ (talk) 11:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to WP:BEFORE #4. Marasmusine (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You may have missed some of the history here. There was an earlier PROD and article talk page and user page discussion. A good deal of care was taken to follow the guidelines of BEFORE. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 09:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe I missed it, but I can't see any discussion of redirection/merger, or any rationale of why a viable search term should be deleted. Marasmusine (talk) 09:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You appear to be suggesting that I failed to follow WP:BEFORE by not explicitly suggesting a merge as one of the possible options in my advance discussions on the article talk page and on the user page of the primary contributor where we did discuss the reasons for PROD and its removal, and went on to go through the reasons why we would go to AFD for wider discussion. Should you feel there is a case here, please use any recognized dispute resolution process to complain about my behaviour (rather than taking this AFD off-topic) and consider applying the deletion review process if this AFD does result in a deletion. I am comfortable that my efforts to meet the BEFORE guidelines are well documented, would stand up to scrutiny and were consistently friendly and open to keeping the article if improvement to meet the notability guidelines seemed possible. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 09:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions.  Marasmusine (talk) 11:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have found some related sources based on Maximum Tune, specifically the third installment. A simple summary on the gameplay, as well as a PDF brochure attached. Link. Another one is the announcement of releasing NBGI's first game globally, which happens to be Maximum Tune 3. Link. Though the second link leads to a blog, I trying to locate the original source of the news. Anime4international (talk) 04:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wangan Midnight and briefly cover there. Anime4international, the source of both those links is Namco Bandai itself. We can't base an article on press releases. Marasmusine (talk) 09:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I realized press releases are not suitable after reviewing the policies. Sorry about that. Anime4international (talk) 07:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Wangan Midnight per Marasmusine's rationale. --Teancum (talk) 15:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.