Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waqas Ahmed


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. It's unlikely this discussion can or will yield an accurate consensus as the subject of the article has been fundamentally changed from a BLP to an event, rendering both the nominating statement and many of the "delete" rationales moot. Applicable arguments in favor of deletion have still been presented and in theory could be explored further, but I don't think that's achievable by relisting this discussion, a significant portion of which is misleading and outdated. This can be considered a procedural keep with no prejudice against renomination. I will note however that it has also been argued that the event itself meets the general notability guideline and renomination is not necessarily warranted, only that it may be renominated with a different rationale if someone so desires. S warm  ♠  20:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Waqas Ahmed
Note: The article has been moved to 2012 Paros (Greece) rape.
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Fails WP:CRIME and WP:BLP1E.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete – non-significant WP:CRIMINAL.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  02:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep and rename 2012 Paros rape. Article demonstrates clear ongoing impact in Greece where illegal immigration is a highly contentious issue.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. No evidence of enduring coverage. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:22, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In fact, I had only to do a quick google to see that the coverage has "endured" now for 3 years, with regular updates, references, rehearsals of the crime, and profiles of the victim and family - even though the Greek press has lots of stuff to cover lately.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep track of all notorious rapists.SummerSchool55 (talk) 15:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC) — SummerSchool55 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Malik Shabazz. Seriously; if this had´t come in the "a Muslim did something very bad"-category; who would ever have thought of making an article about it? Huldra (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps because this incident was a "thing", a lightening rod incident intensely covered by national press.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, BabbaQ, it almost feels as though other editors commenting have not even taken the time to look at the dates of the few articles already on the page before asserting that coverage was not "enduring", As for the assertion that a fuss was made about this rape because of the national origin of the rapist - of course it was, that's why Greece's Fascist party is a major part of the story.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTWHOSWHO.  sami  talk 00:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 07:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete He certainly committed a horrible crime but prisons worldwide are packed with such people. Fails WP:PERP. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:48, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG is not about our opinion of what is routine; if the entire national press corps decides to cover a particular rape this intensely, it becomes notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete  Horrible event, fails relevant notability guidelines (WP:CRIM, WP:NOTWHOSWHO, etc.)  North of Eden (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)  Very weak keep, for the time being, due to E.M.Gregory's revisions and rationale here.
 * Comment the fact that this individual fails WP:PERP,WP:CRIM is irrelevant. This Notable Criminal Act passes WP:N/CA and WP:N(E) because it was a major national news story for years, had ongoing political impact, and received international news coverage.  Note, for example, the lynch mob made up of Greek Fascists.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * WP:HEYMANN Today I made an effort to improve, source what has been, after all, a major incident in Greece and a major news story across Europe where the rape of a local 15-year old by an illegal immigrant became a highly charged signifier at a time of burgeoning political tensions about the enormous wave of illegal immigrants arriving in Greece and other Mediterranean countries.  Searches on America-based engines can underestimate the impact of events in Europe, especially when transliteration of spellings in other alphabets is an issue, as here.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Why did you move the article while under AfD?-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  17:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For clarity, Because editors at this AFD appeared to mistake it for an article about a criminal, when it is an article about a crime that became a national issue.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I might be convinced to reconsider, as this does bear some resemblance to the more recent Shooting of Kathryn Steinle at least in terms of the xenophobia connections. That said, I'm still not seeing enough sources that indicate the lasting significance of the incident, beyond the typical stories that follow the progress of any sensational criminal case.  North of Eden (talk) 05:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be best if someone fluent in Greek worked on this.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It likely would; nevertheless, you've done a good job redoing it. I've switched to a keep, more or the less, given the current sourcing.  I would be happier with more, but it likely reaches WP:N/CA right now.  North of Eden (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I improved the sourcing after North of Eden changed to Keep. The intensity of national coverage, at least, should now be apparent, even though the websites of Greek media are not as easy to search as those of some counties.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.