Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War from a Harlots Mouth


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

War from a Harlots Mouth

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I couldn't establish that they meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Taking to AfD as aware they have articles in 3 other language WPs (though also with similar issues including lack of referencing) and, as I don't speak German or have a good knowledge of German music or this genre of music, I may have missed something.

They have released several albums on Lifeforce Records, so they would meet NBAND if this is considered to meet NBAND #5: 'one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).' I'm not convinced it is; though there are articles on several of its articles, all of them lack evidence of notability.

The only other it may meet (I can't see it meeting WP:GNG) is NBAND #7: Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. I found no evidence it meets this though. Boleyn (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  06:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  06:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Comment - If Transmetropolitan (album) gets deleted, then I am indifferent about deleting WFAHM. However, if Transmetropolitan (album) is NOT deleted, then it can be merged into WFAHM. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as they have coverage in multiple reliable sources such as AllMusic (review and bio), Sputnik, Metal Injection, Metal Sucks and the sources shown at Articles for deletion/Transmetropolitan (album) which is one of their albums so they pass WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Comment - Because Transmetropolitan (album) was closed as keep, I suggest keeping this article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think one notable album necessarily makes a band pass WP:BAND and the sources in the article seem to be primary or don't otherwise do it. That's just my interpretation of this though. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:56, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Atlantic306's interpretation; I think they have just enough coverage to be notable. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep My opinion is that if a band has an independently notable album they can certainly inherit notability from it. All of the sources about the album are also about the band... Per the prior analysis the album is notable ergo we should keep this article. I would understand if you didn't agree with the result but since the album closed as keep do you have a different rationale to Adamant1's or is it the same? Personally, I think an even result is in everyone's interest. PainProf (talk) 18:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the biggest bands in all of Germany’s heavy music scene, no reason at all to delete this article. They’ve been on German TV, have done a US tour, an Australian tour, and have a big significance in metalcore. If this goes then I imagine we should probably get Heaven Shall Burn deleted as well. That’s about the logic I see here. Second Skin (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Non-guideline based, hand waving "other things exist" fear mongering votes like yours help reaffirm to me that this band should be deleted despite the single notable album. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah uh good luck with getting this deleted Second Skin (talk) 08:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Yeah uh" I could really care less if its deleted or not. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out someones crappy justifications for voting keep though if I feel like it. Cool useless retort though. Adamant1 (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol multiple international tours definitely do constitute for notability, definitely not a “crappy justification”. And so do multiple huge magazines like Decibel and Alternative Press writing multiple stories about them  (and also many more including MetalSucks and Metal Injection that I wont bother to link). Btw it’s *couldnt care less (not could). Cool attempt at a “retort” via using a grammatically incorrect idiom though chief 👍🏻 Second Skin (talk) 08:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Feel free to show me a guideline that says a band who has multiple international tours is notable. My guess is you wont because one doesn't exit. Until you do I'm sticking by it being a crappy keep justification. As far as the whole "grammatically incorrect idiom" thing goes its called a mobile edit. I'll also point out that a lot of people participate in AfDs who don't use English as a first language. Plus, some editors likely have learning disabilities etc that might effect their usage of grammer. So, it's extremely worthless and semi-insulting to the inclusive nature of the project and the people who participate in it to critize someone for leaving out a comma or for doing anything else along those lines, chief. Adamant1 (talk) 12:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


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