Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War over Water


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The result was   Keep (WP:NAC). JJ98 (Talk)  05:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

War over Water

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The page might fail on notability, and is probably a result of WP:OR, even though some facts are based on real events of political dispute. This event was not a "war", but barely an armed conflict (where there any casualties?) - part of the Arab-Israeli conflict, and thus it is a WP:UNDUE. The article is most probably failing the requirements WP:EVENT as well.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep—the article isn't great, I admit. However, it's a major part of both Israeli and Syrian history, and is still relevant today. The War over Water is a common title given to this topic, which was not actually a war but a series of military and political engagements. This was one of the major events leading up to the Six-Day War, and consisted of numerous notable border skirmishes between Israel and Syria. To give an idea of what the article should be like, look at the section titles here. —Ynhockey (Talk) 21:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I have a number of sources pertaining to the subject and will try to expand the article in the coming weeks (can't promise anything though). One of the sources by the way, an encyclopedia on Israeli history, dedicates an entire page to the War over Water (and another one for the background), compared to this topic which gets barely half a page. —Ynhockey (Talk) 21:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong keep per Ynhockey above on notability grounds, despite its relative poor current quality to include these. Its notability predates Israel's founding and any particular shooting that the title term war might imply in that context; it encompasses competing national, political and military disputes over the relatively scarce regional water resources, their utilization by riparian states, and the differences between those available resources and the boundaries since claimed, derived, occupied and disputed to this day. Original Zionist Organization claims to the land, specifically including the majority of regional water resources, date to one of the earliest official statements presented internationally at Paris in 1919 . Later unilateral Israeli utilization caused major political problems between the US and the UN, as indicated here, here, and here, and led to a major diplomatic attempt to resolve the issues in the 1950s. Water remained very much an issue until resolved with Jordan, and remains a final status issue with the Palestinians, and an issue with Lebanon.  It is indeed very notable, and part of wider issues in its own right. CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 08:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I must note that the verifable information, contained in this page, is extensively discussed in Water politics in the Jordan River basin. This article, however makes the politics article into a "War over Water" (which seems a WP:OR), with a campainbox of severe conflict event, while no sources indicate a WP:EVENT with such name.Greyshark09 (talk) 15:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Carta's Atlas of Israel, Second Decade, p. 25.
 * The article does refer to a specific series of battles, not the overall history of water conflicts in the region. —Ynhockey (Talk) 16:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep It looks to me like this has certainly received non-trivial reliable source coverage. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Strong keep - Ynhockey mentions a page, but there are in fact entire books dedicated to the subject (one such book, with said title, is mentioned here), plus countless articles (Here's one). The name is also in common use, most certainly in Israel. This 20-year-long series of events represents not isolated incidents but rather an escalating conflict that eventually culminated in the 1967 war. The article undoubtedly requires attention but it is very much notable. Poliocretes (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per arguments above. CarolMooreDC (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - subject appears to have received "significant coverage" in reliable sources and as such is likely to be notable under the WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - This article talks about several skirmishes and limited military operations in Israel's northern border. It's an important event for the politics and history of the region, and certainly should be improved and expanded.--AndresHerutJaim (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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