Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren Sandel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 22:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Warren Sandel

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Non-notable former minor league baseball player. Claim to fame is "giving up the first base hit to Jackie Robinson who broke professional baseball's color barrier in 1946" while playing in the minor leagues, which is trivial. Despite article's assertions, he never played at the major league level in a regular season or postseason game. Alex (talk) 20:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Seems like a fairly well sourced article that satisfies GNG.Spanneraol (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. As the article's author, I'm a bit biased, but also confused by the claim that he is a "non-notable minor league player", actually he is notable that's why he has been discussed in the NY Times, Chicago Tribune and mainstream books. Fascinating human interest story.EdJF (talk) 10:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Lots of pitchers gave up lots of Hall of Famers' first professional hits. Alex (talk) 03:30, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect they all have a Wikipedia article. If not I'd be willing to start.EdJF (talk) 10:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you really comparing the first hit in breaking the color barrier in baseball with just any old first professional hit by a Hall-of-Famer to be? In any case, this hit got lots more attention than a typical future Hall-of-Famer-to-be's first hit, both at the time and later. Rlendog (talk) 01:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Be honest...how many of us had heard of Sandel before this AfD? Outside of it being a matter of trivia, there is really nothing of note about Sandel's "feat". Especially considering Robinson wasn't even the first black major league player. Alex (talk) 18:36, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Spanneraol and the fact that Sandel got plenty of attention for giving up that historic hit. Rlendog (talk) 01:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Alex (talk) 20:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Aren't all of the above really reasons to delete the article per WP:ONEEVENT? --Jersey92 (talk) 23:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Sandel has received attention and coverage for other events, even though those on their own without the big one may not be enough to meet WP:GNG. For example,   Rlendog (talk) 08:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What is he notable for? It seems like for only one event. The other coverage does not seem to establish notability. --Jersey92 (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ONEEVENT doesn't require "notability" for multiple events. He has received coverage in reliable sources for more than just this event and was not a "low profile" individual so WP:BLP1E is not applicable. Rlendog (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 05:03, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect per WP:BIO1E, subject has received significant coverage as it relates to the first hit of Jackie Robinson. Outside of that one event, the subject had received during his playing days multiple mentions in reliable sources, but none where the subject was the topic of the source, or where the subject himself received significant coverage. Most of the mentions, the subject was a player in a game, and the game was the primary topic of the source; therefore this can be seen as falling under WP:ROUTINECOVEREAGE. As a player himself the subject does not appear to pass WP:NBASEBALL. Therefore, given the notability in relation to the event of Jackie Robinson's first hit, and not being a major league ballplayer himself, or being otherwise generally notable, at this time it is my recommendation to redirect this article to Jackie Robinson. If a sub-section is created that is specific to that first hit event, that would be a better redirect target.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think one event applies... The guy had a 13 year career in professional baseball and the article contains several sources that discuss him in depth, the Van Blair book for one has an extensive interview with him. Spanneraol (talk) 21:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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