Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wars of the Deccan Sultanates


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Wars of the Deccan Sultanates

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Yet another article appears to cover a series of conflicts spanning over a century, which have been amalgamated into many 'wars.' The only source Jaques Tony cited for this title and its prolonged duration does not support the timeline mentioned in the lead and infobox (note that timeline in lead and infobox aren't aligned). This discrepancy creates confusion and suggests a lack of notability. Additionally, the article seems to rely heavily on WP:SYNTH and WP:POVFORK, which is concerning. I hope we don't get to see another non notable 'wars' article spanning centuries or even millennia. Based Kashmiri (talk) 06:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, Karnataka,  and Kerala.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I am confused as to why this article has been nominated for deletion. The article adheres to Wikipedia's standards for reliability and notability. The nominator mentioned WP:SYNTH, so they should identify all the self-published sources and unreliable citations in the article that they believe should be removed.Please all those sources here so that we can talk on that easily.
 * Additionally, the nominator has raised concerns regarding the accuracy of the names and timelines of the wars mentioned in the article.I have already provided a citation for the nomenclature used in the article's headings.Since the article is heavily reliant on multiple sources, it should include references for the commencement and conclusion of the war, forming the timeline of the conflict.Here I have already cited the sources for the timeline too.I can cite the source with quotation to get easily identify the timeline.
 * Suggestion:-Nominator as well as the reviewers must thoroughly check all the sources.If there is any problem regarding any reference or source or any paragraph requires more Citation,you may assist by adding tags of for further editing.
 * Please refer the source "History of the Qutb Shahi Dynasty" authored by H.K. Sherwani.-This source have mentioned the Kemilliogolgi (talk) 07:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't adhere to Wikipedia policies and no you haven't cited any source for this fictional timeline of nearly 200 years simply because there's no source defining such a prolonged timeline. Jaques Tony's source is not enough. You have clearly mixed up every war and conflict between Vijaynagar empire and Deccan sultanates without providing enough sources for its notability and timeline. Based.Kashmiri  (🗨️)  10:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please specify which Wikipedia policies the article is not adhering to. If there are concerns about the timeline, I can provide specific sources with quotations to demonstrate that the article is accurately written, including the correct timeline for the wars. All sources used in the article are non-fiction.
 * Here i am giving a few sources :
 * (A)Article mentioned about a war-Cited by
 * 1)Wars of the Deccan Sultanates:pg.XXXIV
 * 2)The end of the Vijayanagar Empire did not, however, mean an end to the wars, for Bijapur and Golconda now began to dispute the division of the spoils.
 * (B)Doubts regarding the timeline-
 * 1)Tony Jaques mentioned the last battle as battle of talikota 1565,
 * 2)But the war lasted even after 1565- Untill 1673-final conquestpg.33
 * The final conquest:
 * In 1672, Abul Hasan Qutb Shah, the last of the Golconda Sultans, ascended the throne. The following year saw the resumption of hostilities between Madurai and Thanjavur. Thanjavur was invaded once again in 1673, and was finally defeated, and the Nayak, Vijayaraghava, was killedpg.33
 * Note:Vassals are also included in war pg.XV
 * I hope the nominator will recheck the all sources and will mention all the self published sources cited in the article.As he had referred to WP:SYNTH to give an excuse for the deletion of the article.
 * If any further doubts-feel free to ask.
 * Regards!!! Kemilliogolgi (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think one source would be enough for the title. No other source other than Jaques Tony calls it "Wars of the Deccan sultanates", that too gives only the timeline of 1520-1565. I still don't get how come you create an article of nearly 200 years war article. And then you cited this source which contradicts other sources and nowhere this source supports your preferred timeline of 1495-1673. You're just cherry picking info from different sources which is what we call WP:SYNTH. Moreover you're quoting a different conflict from the same source which is not even related to the Vijaynagar empire. It's just a synth mess. Based.Kashmiri  (🗨️)  10:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete this article contains many misinformation and not neutral at all. Recently I removed misleading info which is not even in the source.Theophilusbisio (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Theophilusbisio I have reverted your edits to the last version of Kemilliogolgi. Please don't remove any content while the deletion discussion is ongoing. Regards. Based.Kashmiri  (🗨️)  11:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion here about our policies and guidelines. Given that the deletion criteria are unsupported, the article is going to be kept. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if the article is inaccurate or not neutral. Or a complete mess. That is because deletion is not cleanup. If an article can be improved through normal editing, simply fix it.
 * The nominator and the reviewers at Articles for deletion do not have to check the sources. If you want that, put the article up for Peer Review.
 * "Cherry picking info from different sources" is not what we call WP:SYNTH. Synth is when you combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source.
 * If an article is WP:POVFORK, then the nominator should specify what article it is forked from.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: Created and substantially edited by sockpuppets  Ratnahastin  (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Barely meaningful creation of a sock. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.