Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warsangeli Dervish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 08:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Warsangeli Dervish

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Not fulfilling WP:NOTABILITY, I don't see what the purpose of the article is. A Google search reveals there is no such thing as "Warsangeli Dervish". There were also many clans that were part of the Dervish movement.

The article also appears to have no sources and also seems to breach WP:POV, as proven by "The Sultan was indeed an amazing authority figure and a lot of people believed him to be some type of a saint.".

It seems more like an WP:Essay than an article. Dabaqabad (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Bump Just bumping this to see your opinions Dabaqabad (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment It should probably be named 'Warsangeli (Dervish)' if it stays but I think the argument to delete need to clarify how Warsangali fits in to everything. I am not familiar with the subject(s) at all.  A google book search returns enough results to confuse the issue. Is it notable and I just don't understand or is non-notable and I don't understand. Jeepday (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply The issue is that the page is breaking several rules and is essentially an essay on a clan's involvement in the Dervish revolt. However the page is not necessary as many different clans were involved as well. The Habr Je'lo and Habr Yunis were involved as well, to a much larger extent even but you don't see us making a "Habr Je'lo Dervish" page.

I'd suggest deleting the article as it is unsourced, breaks WP:NOTABILITY, WP:POV and is essentially not an article but an WP:Essay. Dabaqabad (talk) 02:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have cited and updated with more academic sources in the article. Enough to show a pass of WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND. SultanSanaag (talk) 04:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment SultanSanaag Article is still not notable enough to exist on Wikipedia, falling short of WP:GNG, breaking WP:NPOV and is essentially an WP:Essay detailing a clan's involvement in the Dervish movement. Like I said before, you have clans like the Habr Yunis, Habr Je'lo, Dhulbahante, Ogaden and Majeerteen that were more involved in the movement than the Warsangeli yet it wouldn't make sense to write essays about each individual clan's contribution. Some of the sources that you added also don't connect with what's stated

Then is the fact that I don't see how it passes WP:GEOLAND as the article isn't about a geographic location. Dabaqabad (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment What exactly is wrong with the citation I've provided? This Somali history is about a time and places in East Africa as for the WP:GEOLAND. SultanSanaag (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Explain how? Is the article about a geographic location? No. Therefore I see no reason of this article existing as per my earlier comments. Dabaqabad (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete As stated by Dabaqabad earlier, the Dervish consisted of several sub-clans so it would prove redundant to make separate articles for each tribal segment. Furthermore, some of the sources included bares no relation to the supplementary text in the the article. For example: in page 41 of Margaret Lawrence's Heart of a Stranger, there is no mention of the term 'Maarraweyn' or anything else slightly resembling what is stated in the article. Moreover, the same can be said for the term 'Indhabaddan', which also brings no results within The Warrior Mullah - The Horn Aflame. Another source in contention is I.M. Lewis's A Pastoral Democracy, where the article states: "The English at the time described him as a "Man of unusual influence", "A man of mercurial image" and "A man of unusual strength". While it does state that a Warsangeli Garaad (unnamed in this case) had "Unusual influence" in page 210, there is no mention of "A man of mercurial image" and "A man of unusual strength". I have highlighted several cases of original research that were passed off by joining it with unrelated sources, so how can we confirm the veracity of the rest of the article? Kangdomkome (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with Jeepday the topic clearly meets WP:GNG as per google book search results. There is also nothing to suggest that the sources are unreliable. HSA777 (talk) 05:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Now that decided to join the discussion, it would be relevant to note that he has been confirmed by Check-user to be related to,  along with other accounts as shown here: . Dabaqabad (talk) 14:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * DeleteAs stated this article doesn’t meet WP:NOTABILITY as the dervishes were made up of numerous tribes and coalitions and not a single tribe as a article indicates.Ciiseciise007 (talk) 07:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


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