Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Washington Obkom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Per the general consensus, the topic seems adequately notable. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Washington Obkom

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Non-notable Russian pejorative neologism/internet meme. Colchicum (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. We have an article on Zionist Occupation Government and other perjorative political terms. gives 80K+ ghits, the term is used in the mainstream Russian media, etc. I guess the article can be useful if expanded a little bit. So far it is a little bit over a dictionary definition but I think it can be developed further Alex Bakharev (talk) 01:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, this term is used, mostly between quotation marks or in blogs, but it is barely ever discussed, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. ZOG, on the other hand, is not merely a neologism, but a notable conspiracy theory in itself, fairly widely discussed: . So it depends on whether WO is a notable conspiracy theory (Maslov is likely the only one who makes this claim, and frankly it doesn't make much sense, why obkom and not tseka? What is tseka then? ZOG?) or merely a pejorative for the American government. Ok, let's see if others think that it can be useful here. Colchicum (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Maslov's article spends a good size of paragraph to discuss "why obkom". Basically, he thinks that the terms "tseka" and "politburo" are already too loaded with other associations. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I have to disagree with the nominator. The term is a rather notable neologism in Russian media and reasonably discussed in articles specifically devoted to this term, the wikipedia article cites three of them. The article is more than a mere dictionary definition and useful for people who want to understand modern Russia. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * PS. I would hate to start converting this article in a coatrack of citations, but there are some notable usages which show that contrary to Colchicum's opinion, it is way beyond "internet meme" (not to say the latter term is frequently misused), including slogans during rallies. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 16:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * PPS In fact, the "conspiracy theory" that Wahington is behind everything bad roots far into Soviet history, with expressions "рука Вашингтона" (wasnhington's hand), "вашингтонские заправилы" (washington ringleaders), "плясать под дудку Вашингтона" (to dance under washinton's fife), etc.. I guess, this would constitute a good article, which the current one would be reasonable to merge into, but I don't know where to start. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 16:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - neologism from a foreign language. There are some political catch phrases that I'd include in Wikipedia:  Lipstick on a pig comes to mind.  But as I remember quite a few folks opposed this on reasonable grounds.  Compared to LOAP this is almost unknown, has a shorter history, and likely won't be remembered in 2 years.  Smallbones (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * this is almost unknown, has a shorter history, and likely won't be remembered in 2 years
 * In my opinion, your arguments are absolutely irrelevant and speculative. I believe there is no way for people to know how long a term is going to be used. Pure speculation. The reality is THIS TERM IS BEING USED on the Internet, so an article that deals with it might be helpful. Good encyclopaedias are there to inform and explain existing notions. Denghu (talk) 09:55, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOTDICTIONARY Smallbones (talk) 16:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I disagree with the nominator. The article deals with a term that can easily be found on the Internet (English-language pages). Thus, it is important that those who have no idea of what this term might refer to, have the opportunity to look up this term in Wikipedia and, which is important, have some in-depth information on this. Denghu (talk) 09:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the article has many references.Denghu (talk) 10:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.