Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Washiqur Rahman Babu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge then redirect to Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh. While there may be significant coverage in reliable sources, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Per the policies of subjects notable only for one event, the requirements for long term historical perspective, Wikipedia is not a memorial and it's in the news the level of coverage is immaterial in the case of a low profile individual outside of that one event. This is further reinforced by the notability guideline, which states that "notability is not temporary." Furthermore there are significant elements of ostensible discussion of its nominal subject involved in the conflation with the coverage of Avijit Roy, Ahmed Rajib Haider and the overall context of attacks on atheists in Bangladesh. As Consensus indicates that the topic should not be removed from the encyclopedia, it should instead be merged and redirected as above. Note that this is without prejudice to a subsequent split or alternative redirect should consensus determine such an action desirable. Philg88 ♦talk 07:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Washiqur Rahman Babu

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This individual seems to have no significance except for being the victim of a crime. He does not seem to meet the notability criteria in WP:N/CA or WP:BLP1E. While there was a previous blogger killed recently under similar circumstances (Avijit Roy), he was notable for more than simply his murder. Mamyles (talk) 20:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep the incident is being covered internationally, in English, German, Italian and Spanish press. If the argument is that the article should have a different title, such as the assassination of Washiqur Rahman Babu, I have no problem,  (See Second Blogger Hacked to Death in Bangladesh This Year) but the suspects have been caught and proudly announced he was killed for his anti-Islamic writing. μηδείς (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I added content to Avijit's article and supported it on ITN, but this guy seems to have no books, and no criticism of the government. Political repression of cyber-dissidents is interesting but this guy seems unremarkable. CPJ and RSF1 RSF2 have coverage, but he seems to have no independent publications of his own. Might be merged if low coverage. -- Aronzak (talk) 04:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, only two articles on Google News in the last week, suggesting a burst of coverage, and a lack of enduring coverage. Conviction/Sentencing could create more coverage, but it still seems like it isn't enduring, and much coverage is tangential, dealing with the larger issue of press freedom rather than his life. -- Aronzak (talk) 13:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete or consider an article about the attacks against progressives in Bangladesh which would include other related problems lke Avijit Roy. By itself, despite the wide coverage, this is a failure of WP:BLP1E and considering the event standalone, fails WP:NEVENT. But there is clearly a larger problem with stuff like this happening in that country, and so it fully makes sense to have an article about it that would also include this person's murder. --M ASEM (t) 23:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello I think you might want to take a look at this thread again now after almost two weeks. There has been more events and coverage, in particular:
 * The first two suspects put on remand, (31 March)
 * Details about the first two suspects, (1 April)
 * An opinion article criticising the current bail/other system (3 April; in this background)
 * Protesters telling the govt. to take away funding from madrasas with terror links (4 April; arrestees were madrasa students)
 * New details about militant-training flat (4 April; the third assailant is also named here),
 * A new link to the Avijit Roy murder (5 April) and lastly
 * The two arrestees were put on remand again. (10 April; this also shows how important the murder is as this small information made it into the news.)
 * I believe this addresses the WP:NEVENT concern and I have also addressed the WP:BLP1E concern in my lengthy argument below. Please reply with what you think. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * All these point away from any notability about the person and instead about the general attitude/situation of people using physical violence to quell free speech. This still fails WP:BLP1E. --M ASEM (t) 04:22, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That is not the general feeling that is given when reading these articles, this seems more personalised. Physical violence against free speech isn't at all commonplace here in Bangladesh for that to be a general violence against that, this has been shown to be the work of a smaller group. Almost all of the articles there are specific to Oyasiqur or Avijit as well and not written in a general sense of oppression. But anyway, please consider my quotes about WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E below in this discussion. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 06:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect Wait this page has much less content than Ahmed Rajib Haider and Avijit Roy. If this dies down quickly, then merge it into a new article on secular bloggers in particular. -- Aronzak (talk) 04:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, Asif Mohiuddin spoke on his behalf.-- Aronzak (talk) 21:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There was some possibility of enduring coverage, but it looks like it happened in a burst. -- Aronzak (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Attacks on bloggers in Bangladesh or any other similar article if we have already. This blogger was not notable enough before his death. Just WP:EVENT. - Rahat (Message) 07:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and let the article improve. I agree that we might end up merging this article at some point, but I don't think there is anything served by a headlong rush to do that. Let the coverage collect a bit and we can revisit in a few weeks. --Krelnik (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:N "Notability is not temporary" this is certainly newsworthy, but I look at the coverage and its all on a single event. Bryce Carmony (talk) 13:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello I think you may want to see above as I have listed more subsequent events that have transpired in the last two weeks in my reply to Masem. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and let the article improve.  Gurumoorthy Poochandhai  15:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and let the article improve (changed vote below to Merge to Avijit Roy). It is particularly notable that the transliteration of this man's name varies considerably, and that he used pseudonyms in his writings, so it has not been immediately clear how great his contribution was in life. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The quality or length of the article is not being questioned here. What is being discussed is whether or not this individual is notable enough for his own article. Improvements to the article would not change the subject's notability. Mamyles (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree - improving the article could radically change the subjects notability. What if he (under another pseudonym) had written some particularly notable/controversial posts, and this has not come out in the news yet? I really think it doesn't hurt to wait a little while and revisit. --Krelnik (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, that argument just doesn't work. It's like saying writing an article about you or me could be notable because it's possible that one of us will become famous. Notability is now - we don't write articles about people who may become notable in the future. Mamyles (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Er, what? Because the article hasn't been fleshed out, it may appear that he wasn't notable, when in fact he might have been. He may turn out to be notable when we find out more about what he did in his life. Writing is hard, and wikipedians are being discouraged on so many fronts. Please don't delete drafts before they have a chance to become good articles. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ditto Sminthopsis84 - it's not about future, it's about giving those writing the article a chance to prove his notability. --Krelnik (talk) 15:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTNEWS means Wikipedia looks for enduring coverage, not a burst of coverage in one go. -- Aronzak (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * keep- lets keep a light on this subject 17:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valentinejoesmith (talk • contribs) 12:44, March 31, 2015‎
 * A light should be kept on the subject of violence against bloggers in Bangladesh, certainly. Feel free to create an article about that, as User:Ctg4Rahat suggested. However, as this individual is not notable for any reason besides his manner of death, an article dedicated to him is not warranted. Mamyles (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP1E means notability can't come from a single event, there needs to be ongoing coverage. WP:COATRACK means that articles about one thing can't mostly be about another thing. -- Aronzak (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: we have international press attention (plenty of reliable sources) focusing on this incident. It may be that this article would be better titled "Murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu" or something of that nature, but I think that it deserves a place here. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Per WP:INTHENEWS, news coverage does not alone indicate notability. Every murder victim gets news coverage, but only murder victims that are notable for some other reason get articles. Mamyles (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP1E means notability can't come from a single event, there needs to be ongoing coverage. WP:COATRACK means that articles about one thing can't mostly be about another thing. -- Aronzak (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to 2015 in Bangladesh per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM. The media started to report this after his murder, I don't think we should have an article on every murdered blogger. Brandmeistertalk  09:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I would prefer a new article Attacks on bloggers in Bangladesh that can bring in related content from Avijit Roy, Asif Mohiuddin, Ahmed Rajib Haider. -- Aronzak (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd also suggest changing List of journalists killed in Bangladesh to List of journalists and bloggers killed in Bangladesh since bloggers have taken on much of the work of journalists these days. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * repression could be a better category for wider discussion of government censorship and imprisonment of bloggers.-- Aronzak (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to Avijit Roy, under a heading such as "Murder of supporter". It seems to be becoming clear that Washiqur Rahman was murdered because he posted "I am Avijit". Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:COATRACK means articles about one thing shouldn't mostly be about another thing. List of journalists and bloggers killed in Bangladesh is a better possibility.-- Aronzak (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Merge & Redirect to proposed new article: Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh or Atheism in Bangladesh. Per WP:NOTNEWS, this blogger is not noteworthy by his own merit, and is a victim, not a subject itself. With the number of attacks increased on atheists (often self-described as online activists) we can have an Wikipedia article covering those matters. Babu is not as notable as Avijit Roy, not even as Ahmed Rajib Haider or Asif Mohiuddin. While Avijit Roy may warrant for his own article, I surmise both Ahmed Rajib Haider and Asif Mohiuddin be also merged to this new article.
 * I posit, this new article be named either Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh or Atheism in Bangladesh rather than Attacks on bloggers in Bangladesh, because: this attacks are targeted ONLY towards atheists and not towards totality of blogger communities. Furthermore, thought they are often tagged as blogger, their activities in Facebook and other media and real life are also subject. They are being attacked not because they blog, rather because they are atheists.
 * N.B.: Merging Babu with Roy's article won't make much sense. ~  nafSadh did say 07:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahmed Rajib Haider and Asif Mohiuddin have documented involvement in the Shahbag protests and the 2013 Bengali blog blackout. Note that USA Today in 2013 stated - CPJ doesn't care whether a blogger killed for their writing is an atheist, a freethinker, a secularist or a Muslim who just criticised Islamists. Imran H Sarker's comment that he was not killed because of widespread exposure means this article should be merged, the other articles should just be summarised.-- Aronzak (talk) 10:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't dictated by CPJ. And the subject in question here is not bloggers, but are atheists. Babu wasn't targeted even for being a blogger, but for hist Facebook comments. Attacks are made to these victims regardless of their medium of expression and due to their belief (or non-belief). However, whether the new article be named ...bloggers... or ...atheists... is a question to be discussed in AfC. ~  nafSadh did say 19:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Mr. Washiqur's murder has been covered worldwide, yes. But however this event may or may not be separate from the attack on Mr. Avijit. Many news sources has drawn the parallel to these murders, sure. But altogether since it also has unique details and elements of its own, such as the scenes of the murder, the circumstances surrounding the murder (such as the the very very important difference that the perpetrators were caught this time), and other factors such as uncertainties in the upcoming future such as the criminal lawsuit that will follow since the murderers have been arrested. I don't think the lawsuit for this murder will be appropriate for any other article, therefore I oppose the deletion. Now I will quote the policies.
 * For notability as an event:
 * WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE: Notable events usually receive coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle. The coverage I believe is likely to be continuous in the national news, similar to how Mr. Avijit's was. Mr. Avijit's family were in the news many times after Mr. Avijit's death. Mrs. Avijit even published an article in The Daily Star. There's nothing to say it won't happen again in this case.
 * WP:DIVERSE: Significant national or international coverage is usually expected for an event to be notable. Wide-ranging reporting tends to show significance, but sources that simply mirror or tend to follow other sources, or are under common control with other sources, are usually discounted. The murder has been reported worldwide but most of the reports were published in around 30th March when they didn't have that many details on hand.
 * WP:DEPTH: An event must receive significant or in-depth coverage to be notable.}} As above, they have had recurring coverage from our national sources. Please see my references below for evidence of this.
 * For notability as a person:
 * WP:VICTIM: A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person. [...] Where there are no appropriate existing articles, the criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies:
 * The victim or person wrongly convicted, consistent with WP:BLP1E had a large role within a well-documented historic event. The historic significance is indicated by persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role.
 * In this instance, Mr. Washiqur's murder large amount of sources that covered the event has centered around Mr. Washiqur's role as a blogger and this is consistent with this policy. I am also of the understanding that Mr. Washiqur's murder is notable and unique in itself as I have written in my first paragraph. I have also quoted the relevant policies for the historical significance of this event above.
 * WP:BLP1E: The significance of an event or individual is indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources. It is important for editors to understand two clear differentiations of the People notable for only one event guideline (WP:BIO1E) when compared with this policy (WP:BLP1E): WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people and to biographies of low-profile individuals. As Mr.WP:BIO1E applies but not the other policy WP:BLP1E, please see below.
 * WP:BIO1E: When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether or not to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and the degree of significance of the individual's role within it should be considered. The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified. The significance of the entire event revolves around Mr. Washiqur's role, as in WP:VICTIM. So Mr. Washiqur's role and arguments for an article as a biography should be given weight due to these arguments. An article about the event cannot contain many details about his life so I am of the understanding that a biography is better fitting.
 * More in-depth national references:


 * Another blogger stabbed to death in Tejgaon. The Daily Star. 30 March 2015.
 * Blogger Oyasiqur buried at Lakshmipur village. New Age BD. 31 March 2015. ("Tipu Sultan, the father, has been in extreme pain and frequently being fainted since he received the death news of his son, our correspondent reported. His wife died 20 years ago.")
 * Oyasiqur murder suspects on 8-day remand. The Daily Star. 3 April 2015. (Relevant to the coming lawsuit I was talking about.)
 * Murders of bloggers worry UN, US. The Daily Star. 3 April 2015. (Great condemnations from many organisations, e.g. the IHEU on this murder.)
 * EU urges unity against violent extremism in Bangladesh. The Daily Star. 3 April 2015.
 * Dangerous desensitisation. The Daily Star. 3 April 2015. (This article writes about this specific murder.)
 * Ansarullah planning silent assassination squads. Dhaka Tribune. (The criminal investigation.)
 * Blogger Oyasiqur's killing protested in Barisal. Dhaka Tribune. (Protests in Bangladesh.)
 * Oyasiqur murder protested in Kolkata. Dhaka Tribune. (More protests in India.)


 * – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 09:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the well laid out comments. English language articles in the last 24 hours bring news coverage closer to being meaningful. The Opinion piece is good. I'm still concerned about BLP1E - this guy didn't seem to publish much independently before his death - no books unlike Avijit Roy, and his writing hasn't been involved in the Shahbag protests, unlike Haider. Imran H Sarker states he did not have widespread exposure, and Tahmima Anam wrote in a New York Times opinion piece A lot of coverage conflates him with Avijit Roy and Ahmed Rajib Haider (as Tahmima Anam's article does) - still leading to the issue of coatrack. I'd say try and improve this article over the next 24 hours.-- Aronzak (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see the edit that I have made addressing your concerns about WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 04:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks for that, just looked on Google news and there are new sources linking the killers of this guy to the killers of Avijit . I was concerned about WP:SYNTH (combining two sources that don't reference each other to make a claim that isn't made). If the sources themselves explicitly link the killing of the two individuals, and suggest that they are both done by related groups, then COATRACK isn't an issue. I added lines to Avijit Roy about how back in 2013. For a decent article, there need to be good sources linking his death to the surrounding issue of press freedom. CPJ  Ideally, there should be a few high quality English language sources that clearly link his death not just to Avijit Roy, but the wider issue of press freedom in Bangladesh. -- Aronzak (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per Nahiyan8 and Medeis and after going through the delete votes the only compromise perhaps is to change to Murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu or assassination of Washiqur Rahman Babu.Significant International coverage of his murder and it will have lasting impact Bangladeshi Blogger’s Killing Sends Ominous Message Voice of America Washiqur Rahman: Another secular blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh CNN .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: The article will have to be moved if the decision of the discussion is keep. Mr. Washiqur's name is officially "Md. Oyasiqur Rahman" according to his national ID card in this reference. The honorific Md. (Mohammad) could be dropped, and his name does not have "Babu" in it. (It is similar to a "Guru" honorific.) This is very important to do before any more people mistakens his name. I have added his name's pronunciation according to the NKL standards from his true Bangla name, ওয়াশিকুর রহমান, but I'm reluctant to move the page while this discussion is undergoing. I will request the closer of the discussion to move the page to "Oyasiqur Rahman" if the decision is keep.– Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 08:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Another comment: I have a small but very important comment that many people here are only considering the information written in the article. I am absolutely sure that there are atleast 50 news articles from atleast 5 large english news sources in the nation about the murder alone. His murder has been covered in atleast ten other countries as well. If this does not count as basic notability then I don't know what does. The article isn't expanded well enough. The criminal lawsuit or proceedings or so forth is not covered at all! There is no mention of Masum or any other people important in this murder. I please suggest that people atleast search in google for something like  (a very good Bangladeshi english newspaper). This also only covers the english news sources and not the other 20 Bangla national sources... I am absolutely sure his murder was in the headlines too in most of the newspapers when this happened. Please remember this before only considering the small amount of information present in the article, there's a very problematic shortage of Bangladeshi editors. I think people are discouraged to expand the article as well since it's under the deletion discussion. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 11:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there significant coverage on Oyasiqur, which is not a news of the murder? ~  nafSadh did say 13:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think so really. The earliest references that I can find are to his murder. Although I don't believe there was any coverage on Mr. Roy before either. I don't have any strong arguments for a biography but I feel very opposed to a merge as well. Avijit's and Oyasiqur's murders were mostly the same in characteristics but this is all complicated by the connection of the two murders so it's not apparently clear where to host the discussion of the organisers of the attack as more details appear. Each murder also had their own circumstances, protests, news, opinions and so on... – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * So, how does he pass WP:ANYBIO? He should be redirected to Attacks on ... in Bangladesh; per WP:ONEEVENT. You can interpret all these guidelines in whichever way you want; but these norms mean what the community think that means. So please, stop making the same argument against each votes posted here. This AfD is turning out to be your top edited page and also 8% of your total contribution to Wikipedia. Pardon me if I sound rude, but I think you need to learn a little about notability and coverage norms.  nafSadh  did say 04:34, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as above; I agree with the other editors above who suggested grouping these events together under in a new umbrella article, such as Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh or Atheism in Bangladesh. Neutralitytalk 16:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a memorial, plus being killed was his one event that made him known. My sincere condolences to his friends and family, but being killed is not enough for an encyclopedic entry. I would, however, recommend an article called "The murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu" as long as that doesn't still violate the aforementioned guidelines.Longevitydude (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course but the memorial policy states that above. After his murder, he's become known throughout the country so he is very notable! Okay this was a single event, but single events are often notable! I've made some arguments above which you might like to see about his notability as a person/event. I'm still arguing for a biography so I request that you see my last argument please. – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 15:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We can rename this to "The murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu" but the most important reasons to rename the article, rather than delete it and recreate it with the new name to delete an article already written, only to re-write it trying to obtain the same content about the murder is not necessary . Doing so would violate WP:CC-BY-SA which requires maintaining the list of contributors to the article. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We can rename this to "The murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu" but the most important reasons to rename the article, rather than delete it and recreate it with the new name to delete an article already written, only to re-write it trying to obtain the same content about the murder is not necessary . Doing so would violate WP:CC-BY-SA which requires maintaining the list of contributors to the article. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr. Guye (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete, per WP:MEMORIAL--  AHLM13  talk 17:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment This article was created by a user calling himself BengaliHindu. I am not going to say delete or keep but this edit by the above on 's talk page proves their sentiments.--  C E  (talk) 14:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Bangali Emperor, none cares about your useless comment. --  AHLM13  talk 16:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If you are canvassing, then people do care. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: His murder is the single event which got media coverage, I see. Before this, no one apparently knew him. Based on the murder of a person, Wikipedia should not have an article. So many events occur everyday in each country which get media coverage for one/two day. Are we going to create separate articles for all those, on daily basis? Why not, if we can create article on Washiqur? - Ascetic Rosé   00:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I see your concerns and views but I have to tell you that another article Avijit Roy was made after Mr. Roy was murdered. Roy's murder was without-question notable but yet he is not very notable at all. What I see had happened was that he had some slightly-notable things from the past which was 1. An award by this blogging competition and some ("well-received", but "well-received" post-mortem?) books. In itself the article would never have passed an AfD with Keep. But after the murder and the following significant western and national coverage I believe those small tidbits such as him as a writer passed as rationale for notability etc. The article was expanded and even put in the news in the main page! But what parallels are present here? Oyasiqur was murdered, he too received a lot of national and western coverage (atleast 30 different international sources including the UN, Reporters without Borders, etc.), he's become just as well-known as Mr. Roy as a "household name" in Bangladesh. But what this article has become hung up on is that Mr. Oyasiqur didn't have any of the immediate rationale such as books or so on as before. But should that count as un-notability? I don't believe so. Their notability comes from the press coverage subsequent to their deaths. I don't suppose that Mr. Oyasiqur's murder is really notable to foreigners except for Indians since you don't talk to your friends or colleagues about this murdered blogger; but if you're an educated Bangladeshi, then you'll have surely heard about this murder and you will want to find out about who this Oyasiqur person is and what happened. So where do you get this information? Wikipedia! – Nahiyan8 (talk | contribs) 02:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * My arguments above are not intended for this article only, but for all such cheap articles, be it Avijit Roy or any other. The present problem is that media coverage is a good physical yardstick to judge notability, but we are misusing media coverage as an ethical yardstick to justify a non-notable issue. Wikipedia is not a repository of all things that exist or happen. Just tell me what is actually notable about Washiqur except his murder? That he was a blogger? Is there any shortage of blogger on earth? That he was described as a "progressive thinker"? There are millions of progressive thinkers. How silly are the lines He paid tribute to the slain atheist in his Facebook profile page with the hashtag #iamavijit. It seems we really have nothing notable to say about Washiqur; so stuffing the page with items like this.
 * I'm pretty sure that such articles are created by certain users either to increase their page-creation count or to promote ideology they hold. The second one is very apparent here.
 * My concern is not with this page only, but all non-notable pages like this. They are not notable. We are making them notable, although this is not the Wikipedia guideline. I will not hesitate to say that we are making non-notable issues notable in a forceful manner. - Ascetic Rosé   00:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Firstly WP:OTHER means that if you don't like other articles, that's not a reason not to delete this one. (which Avijit was a co-ordinator) was created on 19 June 2013 - supported by the Center for Inquiry, the International Humanist and Ethical Union, American Atheists and Taslima Nasrin. Avijit was notable outside Bangladesh before he died, Oyasiqur is only notable outside Bangladesh after his death. His death is notable, but his writing online isn't, so I propose the article be merged into Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh which will cover his death, as well as attacks on Asif Mohiuddin, Avijit Roy, Ahmed Rajib Haider, Taslima Nasrin, Sunnyur Rahman and any others. Oyasiqur does not seem to have been noted for any involvement with protest movements like the Worldwide Protests for Free Expression in Bangladesh or 2013 Bengali blog blackout. His lack of publications, or notability during his life, means that the page should be merged, along with Sunnyur Rahman into Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh or some such article. -- Aronzak (talk) 13:39, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin was canvassed here. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article is not a memorial for a victim of an ordinary crime but a description of an event which undermines freedom of expression in Bangladesh. For that reason it is a political crime and notable. Otto (talk) 06:05, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Then make an article about the crime itself which can very well include the victim, but the victim in and of himself is not notable enough for his own stand-alone article. Longevitydude (talk) 23:21, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "an event" means WP:BLP1E - the event needs WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and this hasn't got it. -- Aronzak (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - per WP:GNG,--BabbaQ (talk) 15:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "per WP:GNG" is not a coherent argument in and of itself. WP:GNG, under the "Presumed" point, takes into account the numerous exceptions in WP:NOT. This would seem to fall under precedent exceptions to the GNG explained in WP:BLP1E and WP:ONEEVENT. Could you elaborate why this individual is particularly notable for more than just this single event? Mamyles (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 11:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC) * Keep and rename to Murder of Washiqur Rahman Babu. Per Nahiyan8 and Pharaoh of the Wizards. As Otto says, it is a political crime and is notable.--Merchant of Asia (talk) 15:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User blocked as sock of . Ravensfire ( talk ) 22:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Note Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh and Irreligion in Bangladesh have been created since the article was listed, and the most useful contents of this article have already been merged.


 * As the Committee to Protect Journalists has written, the killings of bloggers is regarded by NGOs as the direct result of government restrictions on speech (imprisonment of bloggers) creating a culture of impunity towards attacks on bloggers and the media.


 * The vast majority of opinion pieces written about this guy's death were also about Avijit Roy. Many of the opinion pieces written about this man's death also mentioned Avijit Roy, and WP:COATRACK means that articles about one thing shouldn't primarily be about another thing. When the CPJ writes about Washiqur Rahman they mention Avijit Roy, Asif Mohiuddin, and Ahmed Rajib Haider. The only News article from the last week on Google News is AlJazeera coverage of Washiqur Rahman along with Avijit Roy. This doesn't meet WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE - maintaining a separate article rather than just a subsection of Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh is not justified given the lack of endurance of news coverage.


 * The majority of articles treat this guy's death as one of a number of attacks, and I think it should just be merged into Attacks on atheists in Bangladesh, with a redirect. -- Aronzak (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Someone please close it. Snowball clause.  nafSadh did say 16:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This is basically the exact opposite of a snowball clause situation. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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