Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WaterEffect (2005 movie)

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was No consensus, so Keep --Allen3 talk July 4, 2005 22:14 (UTC)

WaterEffect (2005 movie), Doce14 (2005 movie), Grazielle Corapi, Franco Poltronieri
Neither of the films are notable, nor are the people involved with them. &mdash; Xezbeth 16:48, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. They're brazilian made for TV movies, it's really hard for someone not in Latin America to know them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francodushku (talk • contribs) 11:56, Jun 21, 2005


 * Comment. The movies have official sites, there's no need to delete them just because they're from brazil, I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.46.65 (talk • contribs) 12:02, Jun 21, 2005


 * Keep. They shouldn't be deleted. they're being shown in brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningo (talk • contribs) 12:08, Jun 21, 2005


 * Keep - This is an international Encyclopedia. Celestianpower 17:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. The deletion of this article would be a perfect example of systemic bias, contrary to the goals of WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias. If an article was made on a movie of similar status, but released in the U.S. in English, it would definitely be kept. What do we have against Brazil? Wikiacc (talk) 17:23, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I couldn't give a damn what country the films are from. The director gets ONE google hit. The films get no google hits, and the only mention of them is on their "official" websites, that happen to be on a free webhosting site. &mdash; Xezbeth 17:25, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * But it's still a movie. I found already two mentions of the movies on google:
 * Changes at the Moonlight -º~Version~º- Avalon Castle
 * Pra quem quiser, tá aew o site do filme: http:\\www.doce14.cjb.net\ u_u'
 * www.changesathemoonlight.weblogger.com.br/ - 59k
 * Henshin na Mizu - Ningo Mermaid's Version
 * hj teve gravaçaum \o/ eh eu to no filme do Franco XDD... se chama Doce 14...
 * o site eh www.doce14.cjb.net eh o franco fez ateh site ^^"' daki a poco eu ...
 * www.henshinnamizu.weblogger.com.br/ - 67k
 * Here's another mention: http://www.elianabrupdates.blogger.com.br

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningo (talk • contribs) 12:39, Jun 21, 2005

I checked the official sites and they're being redirected from a free server, yes, but they are hosted on UOL Sites which is payed.


 * Comment. WaterEffect is noted as a made-for-TV movie. What about the other one? Were they on broadcast TV, public access, cable, what? This seems to indicate that these were aired on the Brazilian equivalent of public access TV, but for the second time in two days, my inability to read Portuguese foils me. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  21:09, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Doce14 was aired via satellite on May 18, at 8 pm. I think the channel was number 23, because I watched it, but I'm not sure if it was 23 or 22. Anyway, it's satellite. On that site it says Record will be showing them, I don't know if Record bought the licenses to Doce 14 and Water Effect. But hey, those movies do exist. Don't know why to delete them from the encyclopedia.


 * Delete. No IMDb entries, and I believe the IMDb does cover Brazilian movies. It seems to me if these exist they are unreleased films, equivalent to a vanity press novel. -R. fiend 21:42, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Water Effect is unreleased. Doce 14 was released only on satellite.
 * Then delete Water Effect for being unreleased, and as such not notable, and the rest for being unverifiable, possible vanity, as google doesn't really turn up anything (0 hits for Grazielle, some for Franco but nothing significant from what I could tell). I don't think these cut mustard whatever language they're in, so cries of systemic bias don't apply. There are some subjects Google doesn't cover well, but recent films is not one of them. -R. fiend 14:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete notability not established but sockpuppet limit has been reached. JamesBurns 08:46, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Not notable. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  01:11, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Yankee imperialist agressors shouldn't suppress the natives entertainment. SchmuckyTheCat 19:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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