Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Water polo at the 2011 Southeast Asian Games


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 03:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Water polo at the 2011 Southeast Asian Games

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Does every single sport at the 2011 Southeast Asian games need its own unreferenced article? In the interest of not spamming AfD, other VERY similar pages that would likely be kept or deleted under the same rational are in this template:  Σ Α Π Φ (Sapph) Talk 16:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. The issue of having no sources can be easily rectified by linking to the official website at http://seag2011.com/. As for the need of a page for each sport, the same treatment applies to major multi-disciplinary events such as the Olympics itself, the later of which even includes pages for individual events, something I feel is unnecessary for the SEAG. This article just needs to be expanded, which I will do so by the end of this month.--Huaiwei (talk) 18:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That url can be used as a reference, but doesn't count for notability purposes, since it's not independent. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Is the SEAG a major multi-disciplinary event on the same scope of the Olympics? An event for a sub-regional area of an regional area of the IOC? As for linking to the website of the event as a fix, please refer to the policy on preferring secondary sources at WP:NS and not basing an entire article on primary sources at WP:NOR. Σ Α Π Φ (Sapph) Talk 18:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I notice that the same series of sports articles exists also for 2005, 2007 and 2009 Southeast Asian Games. I checked the AfD archives and found only a few AfD related to them, two cases where these articles had been created too early. The event is certainly notable, and splitting it into articles by discipline seems to be the accepted way. MakeSense64 (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The event is notable, but are the results? Do results pages inherit notability from the parent event? And does the fact that it has always been done that way indicate consensus, or lack of awareness? Σ Α Π Φ (Sapph) Talk 18:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as lacking in-depth coverage in reliable, independent third-party sources. Should such sources be integrated into the article, feel free to leave a note on my talk page and I'll take another look. Also feel free to ping my talk page if you nominate all the related articles. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I would rather see sourced articles on notable subjects, instead of creating an arbitrary schema and then mass-producing articles to fill in each point in the schema. I would support the deletion of any other "Sport X at Games Y" articles which were created on the same basis, and which are just ritual tables and flags and templates without sourced prose or evidence of notability. bobrayner (talk) 14:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, totally agree with Bobrayner; just look at Bridge at the 2011 Southeast Asian Games! -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 03:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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