Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waterdeep (city)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Peter Karlsen (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Waterdeep (city)

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It looks like people have genuinely tried to improve this article, but it just fundamentally lacks the potential to meet our most basic guidelines. The only sources I see are a few WP:GAMEGUIDEs which are insufficient to WP:verify notability. The other sources don't even mention the location, going completely off topic about a game that was released too early. Needless to say, the location does not meet the WP:GNG and should be deleted due to a lack of third-party sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The nom misuses WP:GAMEGUIDE in a rather comical matter: Game guides are perfectly fine as sources--the link refers to articles as game guides. Jclemens (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I only mean to point out that game guides are primary sources (or at best, non-independent paid promotional sources). They can verify a few facts, but they have a conflict of interest that makes them inappropriate to WP:verify notability. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Only if the game guides aren't 3rd party sources. Many in the article are. Hobit (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Several books in the Waterdeep setting are noted, with ISBNs and everything, but the references seem to be independent of the subject. Game guides are appropriate to confirm facts, but cannot themselves document notability, as Jclemens indicates - which is fine, since we have other sources to do that. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I can't see the sources (paper sources and all) but reasonable 3rd party sources are given. Weak simply because I can't see the depth of coverage. Hobit (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Waterdeep was used in two different genres, roleplaying and computer games, and that is verified both by primary and third-party sources. Daranios (talk) 17:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Daranios; it has also been the setting for novels, such as the 1989 Waterdeep novel which bears its name. BOZ (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Daranios/BOZ Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Daranios and BOZ Torinir ( Ding my phone   My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 15:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep&mdash;As far as role-playing game fantasy geography articles go, this locale is decidedly more notable than most. There are enough independent book sources to confirm the notability of Waterdeep.&mdash;RJH (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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