Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waverly Health Center


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Waverly Health Center

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I downgraded from "speedy" deletion to a 7-day proposed deletion; see talk page. It's just been de-prodded, but I don't think it's ready for prime-time yet. Only the first of the 5 references is independent, and that one is simply the inclusion of this medical center in a list. Also, the language in the lead section is still promotional, but I'm more concerned with the lack of references. WP:CORP specifically includes hospitals, so the bar we have to jump over here is set pretty high. - Dank (push to talk) 19:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions.  -- - Dank (push to talk) 19:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  -- - Dank (push to talk) 19:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep That the article is substandard is a call for improvement, not deletion. Any accredited hospital with an emergency room and accepting Medicare funds will likely meet requirements for notablity and verifiablity, there are too many non-trival independent references in such cases to argue otherwise, the industry is well-regulated and monitored.  I see some good hits from quick Google searches and they should be incorporated.  There does seem to be some conflict of interest and promotion which should be discouraged.  I removed an external link in the first boldfaced mention in the lead and added some categories.Drawn Some (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The first question is, are hospitals in a "privileged" class of articles where we can just assume they're notable even when we can't find independent sources, as seems to be true for high schools? There aren't many articles like that.  I asked at WT:MED and the only answer I got was: they have to meet WP:CORP.  That being the case: give me one independent source that suggests notability.  I read the first few lines of each of the 70 or so hits at Google archives/books/scholar, and none of them looked promising; it was all in the nature of obituaries and inclusion in long lists.  I like to give articles like this one (a business that offers an indispensable service to a community) a good solid chance to survive, and I've done that here; I took it out of the speedy queue and prodded, which gave it almost 7 days; it's got another 7 days here, and if we don't get solid votes, it will probably get another 7 days.  3 weeks is long enough to find sources if they exist. - Dank (push to talk) 19:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Try searching for "Waverly Hospital" + Iowa instead of "Waverly Health Center". There is even a 106 page book on the hospital by Baker, although published by an affiliate.  Plenty of articles regarding expansions, bond issues, etc.  I will say though in this case I would prefer to see an article on Iowa Health System which it is part of with a section on the hospital.  Waverly Health Center is not a member of the Iowa Health System or any other.  It is independent!!! Drawn Some (talk) 20:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, and agreed. - Dank (push to talk) 21:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm doesn't being the subject of an independantly written book make it notable? Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  07:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would, but the fact that the book was "published by an affiliate" of the hospital means that the source is not independent. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Hospitals, especially those only with 25 beds, are not inherently notable. Wikipedia is not a directory. Fails notability. Edison (talk) 02:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability of hospitals depends on a number of factors, but a 25-bed hospital without any specific claims to fame is unlikely to meet inclusion criteria. JFW | T@lk  10:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Large hospitals are notable, or at least very likely to be; community health centers like this only under the most exceptional circumstances, like national level awards or extensive national coverage for something intrinsically important. I am not immediately aware of any that would qualify, but i don't want to completely rule it out. DGG (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Waverly, Iowa. The hospital will be a significant factor in the town's economy.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * KeepReferences have been added. Many other similar hospitals are included. Conflicts of interest and promotion have been removed. --Waverly312 (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.