Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wedding of Princess Helena and Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Wedding of Princess Helena and Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein

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This wedding is not a notable event. Everything that can be said about it can fit nicely into articles about Helena, "the third daughter and fifth child of Queen Victoria", and Christian, "a minor German prince". Needless to say, there have been numerous weddings in British royal family, but not all of them are notable. The coverage in sources certainly doesn't indicate that this one is notable. Surtsicna (talk) 14:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources supplied satisfy our notability guideline. Warden (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:GNG. That said, article is nobility-cruft, and the "dress" article needs to be merged into it, as that fails notability. Ansh666 22:48, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Or, merge any relevant, sourced info (so not the guest list, etc.) to the pages of the bride and groom. Ansh666 09:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Two newspaper announcements of a marriage does not establish notability. There are tens of thousands of marriages every year that have published announcements in prominent newspapers.  That may make the individuals notable, but the marriage is just one event in their lives. Agricolae (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Heck, even the British newspapers seem not to have noticed. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not think that the wedding and dress are notable in themselves, and suitable edited the content belongs in the article about Helena where some of it is already. The event seems to have been largely a private affair and the bridal party and guest list (which is probably the reason it was spun off in the first place) not obviously worth inclusion. It is appropriate to say in the main article that it was a big family event and to comment on who was and wasn't there (where was Bertie?) but in an encyclopaedia we cannot include everything. As for the dress, I am one of those who urges far better coverage of such things in Wikipedia and descriptions and illustrations are the only useful way of doing so, but this is not one that was (so far as I know) preserved and on public display, widely commented on or used as a model by others. As such it is not interesting in itself (ie notable in Wikipedia terms) unlike her mother's or her sister-in-law's and so deserving of its own article. Perhaps somebody will one day write an article on wedding dresses in Victorian Britain, or royal weddings, because there is no doubt as to their notability or continuing interest. --AJHingston (talk) 08:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Minor royalty, light on sources. Not many "royal weddings" are sufficiently notable to warrant encyclopaedic coverage, and this one appears to fail the test. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 03:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment -- What we have will not do. We have a hierarchy of articles one of Prince Christian (described as a minor German prince, but probably a minor scion of the Danish royal family, since Schleswig-Holstein was a possession of the Danish crown in Germany; then one on the wedding; finally one on the wedding dress.  The latter seems to be the result of there being a book on wedding dresses.  We do not seem to have an article on Princess Helena herself.  The naswer may be to merge the wedding dress into this article, or to repurpose this article as one about her.  A wedding at Osborne House sounds like a family wedding of the royal family, not a state event.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * We do have an article about Princess Helena; in fact, it is a featured article. I agree with your assessment, though; the wedding was not a state event, or any kind of notable event. Surtsicna (talk) 11:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Royaltycruft. Neutralitytalk 15:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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