Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Weightlifting at the 2013 National Games of China


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Weightlifting at the 2013 National Games of China, Gymnastics at the 2013 National Games of China, Gymnastics at the 2009 National Games of China, Figure skating at the 2009 National Games of China, Figure skating at the 2012 National Winter Games of China, and Table tennis at the National Games of China; no consensus on the rest due to lack of sufficient input, with no prejudice towards their renomination for AfD. Kurykh (talk) 00:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Weightlifting at the 2013 National Games of China

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Non-notable sports event and violates WP:Sports event. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:56, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Please see the AfD page for the full set of links for the below articles.

Also adding these for the same reason:
 * Gymnastics at the 2013 National Games of China
 * Gymnastics at the 2009 National Games of China
 * Figure skating at the 2009 National Games of China
 * Figure skating at the 2012 National Winter Games of China
 * Table tennis at the National Games of China

Also adding the following for the same reasons and they are all referenced:
 * Weightlifting at the 1965 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1975 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1979 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1983 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1987 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1993 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1997 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 2001 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 2005 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 2009 National Games of China
 * Weightlifting at the 1959 National Games of China
 * Gymnastics at the 2005 National Games of China

Adding some more:
 * Athletics at the National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 1993 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 2001 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 2005 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 2009 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 2013 National Games of China
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 4 x 400m relay
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 10,000m
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 100m
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 100m hurdles
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 200m
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 400m
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 400 metres hurdles
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 800m
 * Athletics at the 1997 National Games of China – Women's 1500m
 * Women's Heptathlon at the 1997 National Games of China

Also adding these for the same reason:

Also adding the following for the same reasons and they are all referenced:

Adding some more:


 * Delete, just like the other billion articles. Laurdecl talk 01:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - These all follow an identical pattern to SvG's bot-created "articles" and should be blitzed before we have 18,000 of these to sift through. Exemplo347 (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable enough for this kind of article. Smartyllama (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The National Games are the highest level sports event for 1.4 billion people. The competition standard there (in China's main sports like swimming, table tennis or weightlifting) is regularly at or above world championship level with the athletes themselves being said champions, Olympic medalists or world record holders. I don't think OP properly understands what the NG are or how prestigious winning them is. --Wlift84 (talk) 09:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you really feel that an individual article for every single year's results is justified? Why not just add the results to a table in the main article (tables can be collapsed if article length is your concern)? Exemplo347 (talk) 10:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The NGs are a multi-sport event that is held once every four years, just like the Olympic Games. No, I don't think that subpages for every result is justified, but I also didn't create such. I made one overview page for one sport of a multi-sport event. This page shows the medalists, not all results. Weightlifting for example is divided into 15 events, I didn't create 15 pages (and don't intend to). As for putting every result onto one page: the NGs have 300+ events. That's too much I'd presume. --Wlift84 (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't need a results page. Maybe medalists but even that is pushing it. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment Major multi-sport events have overview pages for individual sports. I only speak for the page I created, not every Afd listed. There's little difference to established articles like:
 * Weightlifting at the 2013 Southeast Asian Games
 * Weightlifting at the 2015 Pan American Games
 * Weightlifting at the 2005 West Asian Games
 * Weightlifting at the 2014 Asian Games
 * Weightlifting at the 2013 Mediterranean Games

The stated reason of "non-notable" is plainly wrong. Since the article National Games of China does still exists I presume it was deemed relevant years ago. --Wlift84 (talk) 19:47, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Those are international events, versus this (which is a national event). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:56, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I personally would create a medalists page for all sports per year. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That's correct, but does the lack of internationality itself decrease notablity/relevance? If I'm comparing attendance and results of say:
 * Athletics at the 2011 Pan Arab Games
 * Athletics at the 2013 National Games of China
 * I'm noticing that the NG feature an equally high amount of relevant athletes (i.e. have articles) and results themselves which are sometimes worse, but especially for women plenty better (i.e. world level by international medalists). The reasoning currently given, a violation of WP:ATH, is not properly explained as that page does not directly address this topic. --Wlift84 (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Closing admin should note that every article after Also adding the following for the same reasons and they are all referenced were added to this AfD after the above comments. T. Canens (talk) 05:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep all, Merge specific athletics events Far too many articles have been put up here and very little care has been given to both the nomination and the comments. I spent several weeks researching Athletics at the National Games of China. It is a key topic in the sport's history with multiple defining moments for the both sport itself and Chinese sporting history. There are multiple sources of high repute. The same can be said of Athletics at the 2013 National Games of China and the like, which was a major competition that produced nationally historic moments by some of the world's best athletes. I'm less of a weightlifting expert, but the competition between multiple world record holders and Olympic champions should say enough.
 * The idea that even comment on the medallists at these competitions "is pushing it" demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of both the topic and its relevance. The Chinese Games don't get a lot of coverage in English due to systemic bias, not due to any lack of actual relevance. There is a reason why all the most important Chinese figures from the President downwards are present at these games, as are all their top sporting figures. Needless to say, I also would have appreciated a heads up that several weeks worth of my work was to be deleted, rather than coming across it completely by chance. SFB 00:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:15, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


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