Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Weird Paul Petroskey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Weird Paul Petroskey

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Lack of notability. Please see the discussion on the article's Talk page at Talk:Weird Paul Petroskey. (The category could be either Media and music or Biographical; I chose the latter.) HairyWombat 17:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * what kind of retard thinks Wierd Paul isn't notable. that is Hate Crime on Pittsburgh PA to say such a thing  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.137.137 (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This does nothing to address the concerns about notability. Simply saying "I like it" is not a valid justification. --Drm310 (talk) 12:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weird Paul has been a creative musician for decades. The Happy Flowers have covered his music. He has had a cd released on legendary indie label Homestead Records, and been the subject of a documentary film. He is a pioneer in the use of home video cameras, and his work has been seen by many on YouTube. I cite that Weird Paul has fulfilled the notability guidelines posted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles -- and specifically citing items 1, 5, 6, and 7 as qualifications.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.48.161.10 (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Citation 5 is a passing mention and can't be considered a valid source. The others, however, may have enough merit to establish notability. --Drm310 (talk) 12:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't think that this article should be deleted. This guy is a very credible (ultra) lo-fi artist, plus probably the first vlogger in history. It's pretty awkward to have an article about lo-fi music and not include Weird Paul! User:Guest 00:01, 1 November 2013 (GMT +2) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.225.108 (talk)
 * Your personal assertion of notability is not sufficient. Notability is proven as evidenced by significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the article subject. --Drm310 (talk) 12:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * dedicated diehard. homestead records and an documentary film... he's underground, but not unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.32.35 (talk) 21:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Weird Paul has been a lofi artist for over a quarter century. He was a vlogger long before anyone knew what that meant. People I know have traveled across the country to watch him play. His commitment to his hairstyle alone makes him a notable figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.2.13 (talk) 01:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I do think that Weird Paul Petroskey meets the guidelines for notability and that his page should not be deleted. He has been recording music since 1984 and is known throughout Pittsburgh and has heard from fans throughout the world for his contributions to the lo-fi genre of music. He's been interviewed by the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and as noted above, is the subject of "A Lo Fidelity Documentary." To remove this page would be a discredit to fans of lo fi music everywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.189.230 (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weird Paul is an internationally known Vlogger who has had a long career touring the United States in support of independent music releases. He went viral last year on YouTube with his 1984 MCDONALDS BREAKFAST REVIEW and has thus been invited to be included in the Horsebridge Short Film Festival in Whitstable, Kent, United Kingdom.86.143.204.129 (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)John Huffman, The Horsebridge Arts and Community Centre, http://horsebridge-centre.org.uk/


 * If I have a wikipedia entry, Paul certainly should. And I do. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Hall) So he should. I would cite him as an influence and a peer. - John S. Hall  — Preceding unsigned comment added by John S. Hall (talk • contribs) 19:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see "What about article x?". The existence of one article does not in itself justify the existence of another. --Drm310 (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep The sources seem valid and the depth of coverage seems just enough to pass the benchmark of WP:PEOPLE - barely. I must note, however, that am troubled by the appearance of a slew of IP editors, in what has the appearance of a canvassed attempt to influence the debate with a variety of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. --Drm310 (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Most of the coverage is local and if it was just local, I'd say delete. However he has received some coverage in other sources such as Vice and The Retroist that push it to a weak keep for me. On a side note, I cleaned the article up since it was more akin to a fan page than an encyclopedic entry. I removed the HuffPo article since it wasn't really a RS and the video wasn't such an accomplishment that we could really show that it was something that would keep the article. I also want to let people know that this isn't decided on a vote and that any "keep" arguments must, must, must follow guidelines and show notability per WP:BAND. You can see examples of what doesn't count as a valid argument at WP:NOT. Also as a side note, the documentary itself isn't necessarily a thing that would show notability, as it hasn't really gotten a lot of coverage in and of itself. It was a selection at some film festivals, but never seems to have gotten any notice aside from the Pittsburgh area papers, which is an issue. What it all boils down to in the end is coverage. There is the possibility of coverage that isn't on the Internet, so if anyone coming in has the ability to dig for offline sources, please do so. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Lo Fidelity - Hi Anxiety and 25 Lo Fi Years seem to be two albums released on labels significantly independent and notable enough to satisfy criteria #5 on WP:BAND. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   14:45, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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