Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welcome Home (Sanitarium)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Master of Puppets. (non-admin closure) czar ♔   05:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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Does not claim to be a notable song (see WP:NSONG) and I cannot find any proof that it has charted. When searching billboard.com it is mentioned in passing quite frequently though and has been covered at least once, but the covers are not notable either, but does being covered imply notability? Walter Görlitz (talk) 10:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge & Redirect – To Master of Puppets. ShoesssS Talk 12:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Very well-known, lots of in fo on page, annd on 15 other wikipedias, while some songs hat stay are on ZERO.--Old Time Music Fan (talk) 14:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well-known isn't a criteria for inclusion, WP:GNG would be the base criteria. It reads that the topic has "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Simply being well-known isn't there, but if you find people writing articles and essays about the song, it would qualify. I couldn't find that. I could only find mentions of it. Other wikipedia projects have different criteria for inclusion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have seen songs that are totally unknown and n only this wikipedia that dont get deleted and unknown people with the same things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Time Music Fan (talk • contribs) 16:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There's an essay that discusses what you described and the general agreement is that your argument isn't a valid one in deletion discussions. In short, if there are other songs that need to go through this process, we can do so for each of them, but their existence is not a reason to keep this article on Wikipedia. Also, if there are albums, articles about musicians or bands that are not notable, we need to discuss them and evaluate their worth to this encyclopedia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge & Redirect – Lacks references, and there isn't much encyclopedical material about this song on the internet. Labeling a song as "well-known" is personal opinion, because it varies from person to person. I suggest to stick to whether music writers had discussed the song or not.--Retrohead (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Master of Puppets, not enough secondary coverage outside of album reviews to warrant a separate article.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 16:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Does the number of notable bands that have covered the song and that it has been used in a movie count(?) I'm not sure if that warrants a page by itself but it would be good if the content could be kept as it's well written.  For what it is worth - I don't believe there were any singles from the Master of Puppets album, but this song gas remained a regularly played live song up until today, and Metallica play to large audiences headlining stadiums and festivals.  In the early nineties I remember learning the riff on the guitar so I found this page interesting reading.   Willzuk (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The title track was released as a single, but this track was not. I think Anthrax is the most notable band to cover the song, but other covers are mainly by metal bands that aren't known worldwide.--Retrohead (talk) 19:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It depends how it was used it the filme and what kind of film. If it was simply background music in the film, and receives a credit, then no. If it's a plot-point in the film, in other words, if the characters take note of the music or the song repeats to help progress the plot, and the film itself is notable (i.e. not a student piece or something that was direct to video and doesn't have an IMDB, Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes review) then, yes, that would make the song notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The movie was Paradise Lost - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117293/?ref_=nv_sr_1 you'll see that under soundtrack it is the first song listed. There are three films and the wikipedia page says the song featured in the intro for all of them - I would say the film is notable ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost:_The_Child_Murders_at_Robin_Hood_Hills ) and it has received much attention.  This page says it was the first song Metallica allowed to be used in a movie - http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2692 .    I would say that some of the other bands who are listed as covering it are well known worldwide, i.e. Machine Head, Limp Bizkit, Bullet for my valentine.  The song also features in the computer game "Guitar Hero" Metallica edition.  (I'm not knowledgable enough on wiki notability to say if that makes the song notable but I hope it helps!)   Willzuk (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per soundtrack inclusion and some mediocre refs: blabbermouth.net, readers-poll-the-10-best-metallica-songs, The Top 10 Greatest Chorus Effect Recordings of All Time. Obviously not their most famous song, but with The Metallica topics already so bloated, squeezing it back into the album page doesn't seem like the best option. If the content can't be improved beyond this after efforts are made, then I'd say consider deleting and merging, at least the soundtrack info. Earflaps (talk) 18:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And how can you prove the song's importance by citing a readers poll and a blog of "greatest choruses"? Are there any encyclopedias, books, or music writers analyzing the song?--Retrohead (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It is very well-known. He just stated his reasons. There are only like 2 other useful encyclopedias on the internet, but its on many other language wikipedias.--Old Time Music Fan (talk) 17:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Very well-known according to who? Personal opinion on song importance has zero value on Wiki. His links are two unreliable sources and a readers pool by Rolling Stone, which can not be used as a reference in any article. Furthermore, bold "keeps" without explanation or arguments such as the one below doesn't count either.--Retrohead (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm a she. Earflaps (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. DudeWithAFeud (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
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