Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welcome on Board


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome on Board

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Non-notable film, lacking significant independent coverage; the awards and festival circuit touted by the article are from awards mill style festivals with no notability, it also appears that the article may have been created by a COI editor looking to promote the film BOVINEBOY 2008 17:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Singapore,  and India. Shellwood (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm going to try to find sources, but I'm not terribly impressed by most of the sourcing in the article. For example, the awards don't seem to be very major. One of the film festivals is held monthly so they're giving out a lot of awards on a yearly basis. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like all of the festivals/awards are producer submitted, meaning any awards/coverage coming from them is not independent. It seems to be purchased notoriety. BOVINEBOY 2008 17:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm leaning towards. At worst they're vanity awards (albeit some of the least expensive ones I've seen) and at best they're just non-notable. Some of the links used to back up claims of awards just mentioned that they were screening at a given festival, which isn't really the same as winning an award. Also, one of them was the same source as one of the others - just a reprinted press release. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Independent movies dawn a new era in film making. "Welcome on Board" deals with some important social messages for its viewers. Hence its is imperative that movies like these should be in wikipedia. What is mentioned as mill style award is exactly the international award circuit which is approved by the respective countries film societies/board. The very reason that the movie is premiered in multiple awards circuit and is released in Disney+ Hotstar which is one of the most leading OTT platform globally show the notability of the movie. Independent movies cannot afford to buy media and awards hence the press coverage is limited unlike major Hollywood and Bollywood movies. The viewership picks up by work of mouth and all relevant movies should have a place in wikipedia. And wikipedia should not be a place only for movies highly promoted and money backed movies. The contributors referencing to delete the article are not aware of how the independent movies and international award circuit operate.MM Junior (Aby) (talk) 17:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. After examining the sourcing in the article I decided to look for sourcing, which was a very short search. There's really not much out there. I'm aware that sometimes Google doesn't properly pick up all of the possible sourcing in other countries, but there's really not much out there. What's in the article is pretty much what's out there already - and some of the sources aren't even about the film, but about a deceased celebrity that is the namesake for the production company. I've trimmed this down to the basics and in the process, found that the aforementioned PR was actually used three times in the article, one for each of the different places it was published. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm actually fairly aware of how indie films work. I know that it's not easy to get coverage, as there are always more films then there are places to cover them. The horror genre - one of my personal favorites - is rife with thousands upon thousands of films that were independently released and gained little to no coverage. (And don't get me started on how easy it is to be overlooked in the horror lit world, even with there being more of a focus on horror nowadays. So many authors and books I wish I could make articles for.) Some manage to get that lucky break and have just enough coverage to pass NFILM. For example, most of the films done by George Clarke (filmmaker) had very little budget. One was shot with a budget of £200. Lawrie Brewster has a few films that were very indie and had low budgets. Emily Hagins is probably one of the best examples of a low budget director. She made her first film at 12 years old, which took her two years to complete because of the difficulty of filming and getting funding. My point in listing these examples is that they're all people who made indie films with limited resources and funding. They were all fortunate enough that they gained attention from the media, which was far from a guarantee. The long and short of this is that most films aren't going to be notable. Most awards aren't going to be notable either - less than 1% of the awards out there will give notability, and that's taking into account all potential awards, from Oscars to Nobels. Only a fraction of that slim fraction will be notable enough to keep an article on the award alone. Now I'm aware that mainstream in any country means that minority groups of various types (minority based on income, gender, skin color, etc) will be more likely to be excluded, but Wikipedia isn't meant to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  19:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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