Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welsh Lost Lands (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to England–Wales border. I find Peter's contribution the most persuasive in a discussion filled with not-strongly-held positions. Daniel (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Welsh Lost Lands
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The page seems to be nothing but original research, lacks any clarity both official and significance. Also appears to be another form of "Border wars" with Wales lost this to England while England gained from Wales affair. The article would be better off being deleted as there is nothing about Welsh Lost Lands...DragonofBatley (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. DragonofBatley (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. DragonofBatley (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. DragonofBatley (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * comment seems to be somehow covered, , though I have no opinion on deletion. Artem.G (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I did a google search... the term is in use, but seems to be used *also* as a mythological term (like the lost lands of atlantis, but for Wales). Considering the confusion, I actually think a wikipedia entry would be useful. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaning keep per Deathlibrarian. BD2412  T 19:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. 17:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep but consider moving it to something like Welsh irredentism and expand if possible. --Killuminator (talk) 01:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The lost lands issue might make an appropriate section in England–Wales border. Welsh yearnings to return to ancient periods before Anglian conquest might be worth a fuller discussion somewhere.  Certain border counties (despite being subject to the Council of the Marches in the Tudor and early Stuart periods were always part of England.  The logic of what boundaries were adopted in 1536/42 is lost in the mists of time.  The Welsh marches had expanded in the medieval period, partly by conquest in the anarchy of Stephen and partly by marcher lords claiming that border property was exempt from interference by the sheriff.  These encroachments were reversed by the 1536 Act.  I see little in this article that adds much to my target, except the alleged movement to reclaim lands.  Another editor has drawn attention to a potential Whitehall blunder.  The Wye catchment was in the days of Water Authorities the responsibility of Welsh Water and the Severn catchment of Severn-Trent Water (including parts of Montgomeryshire).  I am not clear what happened on this when Welsh devolution was strengthened.  Agricultural nitrate pollution of the Wye is however an active issue on which CPRE Herefordshire is organising research, in a volunteer-led project.  This is a function of the direction in which rivers run, from Wales through England, not one of the extent of Wales.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to England–Wales border; overlaps with that topic.  Sandstein   09:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


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