Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wemic


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters. Depending on the result for the AFD of the target page, the redirect could be deleted anyway, but pointing it there for now in the absence of any clear evidence that Urmahlullu is a related topic. RL0919 (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Wemic

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Another non-notable fictional D&D creature. Searching for sources brings up nothing but official D&D related books and publications, outside of a few false positives for things that happen to have the same name but have no relation to the creature (such as West Michigan being abbreviated as "WeMic"). Rorshacma (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Forgive my lack of proper formatting for this kind of discussion. I strongly disagree that this article should be deleted. It is rather the case that this article should be expanded and perhaps renamed. Look, for example, at independent pages for centaurs and minotaurs. These are hybrid fantastical beasts with their own pages. The wemic should have the same. FIRST, this is not a D&D exclusive beast. It features in Ancient Assyrian mythology, known as "urmahlullu" and mentioned here on Hybrid beasts in folklore. Known as a "sagittary" it appears in medieval times on the coat of arms of Stephen, King of England. And in Shakespeare, "The dreadful Sagittary / Appals our numbers." -- Troilus and Cressida. And not uncommonly drawn as a "grotesquerie" in the margins of medieval prayer books. The central problem is what to call it. Urmahlullu? Sagittary? Lion-centaur? Or the modern name, Wemic? Other modern names are portmanteaus including liontaur, felitaur, and cattaur. I would be happy to expand and document the current wemic article, but I admit in the past I was daunted by the D&D orientation of this article. Cayzle (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:26, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I created an article at Urmahlullu for you to expand - in the mythological sense. I am  not sure whether redirecting wemic to it is a good idea though, they seem to have nothing in common beyond mere similarity of appearance, and it might be WP:SYNTH if it cannot be proven they were inspired by the urmahlullu.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete The Urmahlullu may very well be notable, and might merit creation of a page there. However it is clear to me that the "wemic" is not notable. It's a minor D&D monster and doesn't need a page on Wikipedia.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yeah, during my searches for sources before creating this AFD, I did note that the concept of lion-human centaurs appear in other contexts, such as mythology. However, as the D&D incarnation of it is not notable, and the name "Wemic" appears to have been invented by TSR, I did not feel that the information here merited being preserved or redirected elsewhere. If I am incorrect about the name, and it does have an origin beyond D&D, I would not be opposed to redirecting this to the newly created Urmahlullu page, (nice work, by the way!).  But there would need to be some sources actually demonstrating the connection between the two.  Rorshacma (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable topic. The existence of possible real world inspiration has nothing to do with this topic in particular. TTN (talk) 11:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable per GNG; those D&D sourcebooks and whatnot do not add anything to notability. Drmies (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 08:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * REDIRECT to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters.4meter4 (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.