Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wendy Hawthorne


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Wendy Hawthorne

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football,  and Canada. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable, as a former member of a Canadian national sports team. Vysotsky (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not a valid reason to keep. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Valid reason is appearane at 1995 FIFA Woen's World Cup. She is more notable than plenty footbal players from amteur post-war era or plenty insonsequential players from weak leagues which we keep. Dawid2009 (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources below which show notability. GiantSnowman 18:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:50, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - Article about footballer who played before the advent of professionalism, and although she represented Canada at international level, I can only find passing mentions in online sources (e.g., ). Fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 18:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Women who participated at FIFA World Cup are often more notable than football players who playd couple matches for proffestional club at national level which we often keep. Just add more surces to the article and will be ok. Dawid2009 (talk) 09:04, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - Per and . Clearly significant figure in Canadian  women's and international football. I look at the other Sports WikiProjects (or any WikiProject) and they don't nearly have an article deleted per day, let alone 30. By the time I finish writing this, another 30 will probably be deleted. Article may need improvement, but definitely not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:49, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. WP:BEFORE search only brings the usual database hits. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid keep rationale by the way.  Billets Mauves €500 11:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Newspapers.com brings up a couple of results, such as this (p2), this, and this. She also has a biography at CanadaSoccer.com, but I don't know if its independent. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also this from The Province. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - won 11 British Columbia (a province of over 5 million people, bigger than many countries) championships, four Canada national championships, appeared for her country at the World Cup, appointed director of football for the province and awarded their order of merit. If that doesn't make her notable, there's something wrong with our notability criteria. Waggers</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  15:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep in light of coverage found by about one of the top women goalkeepers in Canada, which easily establishes notability per WP:BASIC, most of which is now added to the article. One note is that Hawthorne did not actually end up featuring in the 1995 World Cup, but she was part of the squad, and it does not matter because the coverage is there, plus her career achievements in total are outstanding (15 international caps with 7 clean sheets and 3 medals at CONCACAF; 4 national championships and record for all-time clean sheets at the Canada Soccer National Championships; 11 provincial championships with 4 different clubs). Interestingly, Hawthorne had a very active rec career playing for the women's and men's soccer teams with her work colleagues in the Vancouver Police and BC Transit Police, which is covered in newspaper articles where she is featured. One general comment is that reviewers need to be extra careful in searching for coverage about former players whose careers started more than 10 years ago, as Google searches tend not to capture historical coverage, making additional searches necessary in other databases (e.g. ProQuest, Gale, Newspapers.com, etc.). Pinging  per his explicit request above. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep', clearly passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


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