Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Indian cricket team in Australia in 2004–05


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The result was redirect to 2004–05 VB Series. (non-admin closure) Störm   (talk)  21:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

West Indian cricket team in Australia in 2004–05

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This article is only here due to the fact that the West Indies was a third team in the 2004–05 Tri-Series with Pakistan. The only matches outside of the Tri-Series being List A matches which wouldn't be notable enough for it's own article. HawkAussie (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I see this was redirected in June 2007 (!) to 2004–05 VB Series, although that was undone shortly after, so maybe restore the redirect?  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 00:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. This was an official West Indies tour, even though only one-day matches (ODIs and List A) were played and the team was not successful. We have articles on all the other official tours and there is merit, in an encyclopedia, in completeness. It's never likely to be a big or important article, but I think it does no harm to retain it. Had the team been more successful, I suspect we wouldn't be discussing it. Johnlp (talk) 12:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The thing is, you could argue that you can have the WI warm-ups in the 2004–05 VB Series article in a way that is similar to the 2017–18 Trans-Tasman Tri-Series with the warm-ups being before the main tournament. HawkAussie (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is the same thing. There's a navigational box containing all of West Indies' overseas tours that is appended to every WI tour article, and there are no redlinks or redirects in that currently; so this would create one. There is obviously already an article for the English cricket team in Australia in 2017–18 and its deeds before the three-way T20I tournament, and there are articles for all other official tours. I don't see the benefit of culling this one, either in terms of navigation or encyclopedic completeness. Johnlp (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You could easily remove that link from the navbox if this is deleted as it's not on the International cricket in 2004–05 page which you would think would be on there if it was linked. In the navigational box for that period, their is no mention of the West Indies tour of Australia. HawkAussie (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought we were here to build an encyclopedia for readers to use and rely on, not to dismantle one. Johnlp (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We are just we don't need these type of pages where the only new thing is the warm-up matches which could easily merge into the main article. HawkAussie (talk) 01:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - there are articles on touring sides for each cricket season. I don't have access to news archives but there would almost certainly be coverage of the West Indies' tour of Australia at that time in national newspapers (there always is), so the claim of non-notability is simply not true. Another option which would be a valid alternative to deletion would be a merge or redirect to 2004–2005 Australian cricket season but that article currently doesn't exist. So as not to undo the good work of cricket editors here I see why this article can't be kept pending that being created. Again, another instance where deletion is a lazy option. If people want to redirect to the VB series at the time to avoid deletion I don't mind but that isn't a great outcome either (but it at least avoids deletion). Deus et lex (talk) 22:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to 2004–05 VB Series where all of the international matches took place. I really don't see this as controversial - this was not a tour in the traditional sense, but a tri-series. The Wisden article contains a little more information, but even then we're scrapping the barrel to get anything more on this. And the VB article desperately needs some decent prose anyway. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to 2004–05 VB Series. Nothing to see here. This trip was organised around the VB Series and there's little of note outside that. Do we really need a sentence to confirm that routine warm-up matches were played? This does not warrant a standalone article. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:16, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


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