Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West of Scotland Pattern Novices' Chase


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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

West of Scotland Pattern Novices' Chase

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Event lack of coverage WP:INDEPTH on reliable source. does not meet WP:EVENTCRIT  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The race was sufficiently significant within the realm of the sport in that it produced two Gold Cup winners and as far as sources are concerned, the Racing Post and Timeform are overwhelmingly the most reliable available on UK horse racing.Kotkijet (talk) 22:10, 3 FebruaNorthamerica1000ry 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - User:Kotkijet Kindly provide source of the abovementioned. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have not commented; only relisted. North America1000 10:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * , My apologies and thank you for informing. the message was towards user Kotkijet and not you. I paste the wrong name. My mistake.  CASSIOPEIA(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 10:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Evidence of Jodami winning the race as described in the article from The Observer https://www.newspapers.com/image/258613487/?terms=%22West+of+Scotland%22+jodami Evidence of Jodami winning the Gold Cup in the Guardian https://www.newspapers.com/image/260265222/?terms=%22Cheltenham+Gold+Cup%22+jodami Evidence of Little Owl winning the West Of Scotland Pattern Chase in the Glasgow Herald https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19810131&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Evidence of Little Owl winning the Gold Cup in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette https://www.newspapers.com/image/91081989/?terms=%22Cheltenham+Gold+Cup%22+Little+Owl
 * Delete - race results do not qualify as reliable sources for notability.--Rpclod (talk) 11:57, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - On the 31st of January 1987 edition of the Guardian, the race is described as important https://www.newspapers.com/image/259919981/?terms=%22West+of+Scotland+Pattern+%22

Frankly, if people are unfamiliar with the Racing Post and Timeform or the concept of the European Pattern then they are incapable of passing judgement on whether or not a horse race is noteworthy. Kotkijet (talk) 16:03, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * * Comment - It is based on whether the independent reliable source to be found for judging the nobility based on Wikipedia policy. Source provided mostly need subcripton to read. Will pass on those who could read for such. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 16:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I reviewed the above "sources". They do not support notability.  3 of 4 peripherally reference the subject once.  I could not find any reference to the subject in the fourth.--Rpclod (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: A national newspaper which has been in circulation since 1821 is a "source"?

I would be interested in clarification on what makes for a notable race. Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Horse_racing it states that there is notability in winning graded races and https://www.racingpost.com/results/3/Ayr/1993-01-30/49920 demonstrates that the race was a Grade 2 contest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horse_racing/Notability goes into a little more detail but it is very much set around American racing rather than European (where individual races are more a measure of quality and importance than "meets" - which isn't even a term used here) and is too ambiguous for the purposes of this article (even though there's nothing to even remotely suggest that this one ought to be deleted). Furthermore, I am greatly concerned that if this page gets deleted, a great number here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_National_Hunt_races may suffer similar fates for incredibly vague and ill-informed reasons. As such, I think it is in the interests of all concerned parties that the notability standards of this subject matter be scrutinized and the ambiguity removed - preferably by somebody with a legitimate familiarity with the field.Kotkijet (talk) 20:05, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


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