Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western Imperium


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Western Imperium

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This article is unencyclopedic, and frankly constitutes little more than asinine gibberish. There exists no genuine historical, academic, or intellectual current upon which to base this article. One of its authors cites the book Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics, by Francis Parker Yockey as apparently the principal intellectual underpinning of the idea ("Western Imperium") that this article purports to be about, but this seems to be based entirely on the fact that both the title of the article, and the name of that book, both contain the word "imperium." No page number is cited, and as one who has read Imperium, and is otherwise familiar with most of Yockey's work, I can assure you that it would be impossible to accurately cite a specific page or pages taken from that book to such an effect, as no such material is contained within its pages. Additionally, the author(s) cite Dreamer of the Day: Francis Parker Yockey and the Post-War Fascist International by Kevin Coogan as further evidentiary basis for the notion that this idea of a Western Imperium has some authentic tradition within the intellectual history of post-war National Socialist thought. Again, no page number is cited, and again, it couldn't be, as I can verify, having read that book as well.

I apologize for such a lengthy summary, but the reasons why this article ought to be deleted are somewhat esoteric, and may not be immediately evident to the average laymen. In the simplest terms, this article is nothing more than the school boy day dreams of Skinheads. Its existence is entirely reliant on the doubtlessly accurate supposition that most people haven't read Yockey's Imperium, or Coogan's biography of Yockey, and are thus unqualified to determine that this article is all made-up crap. But I can assure you, that is exactly what it is.

I can envision someone being reluctant to agree to delete this article, for fear they may be perceived as censoring an article that is of importance to a decidedly unpopular segment of society, but as a person within a related corner of that unpopular socio-political milieu, again, I can assure you that this article consists of little more than the science-fictional ramblings of ill-informed persons who have almost certainly not read the books being cited as source material, and who probably wouldn't understand them if they did. If the person(s) who cited such sources did read the books in question, then they would appear to be liars. Without any actual source material within the intellectual history of the political far-right upon which to base it, this entire article degenerates into merely some-crap-someone-made-up-over-at-Wikipedia. And that is precisely what it is, alas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinOKeeffe (talk • contribs)

Per DGG, I am adding to this nomination:
 * -- B figura  (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete There seem to be three articles where there should be one: the article on Francis Parker Yockey, the article on the book, which essentially amounts to a table of contents Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics, and this. The one to keep is the one on the author. The poresent article is a cross between an essay and promotionalism.   DGG ( talk ) 16:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete both per DGG's reasoning. No reason to fork this. -- B figura  (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Yockey and his book, Imperium, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH THE ARTICLE Western Imperium. The only connection between them is the word "imperium," and some ridiculously inaccurate commentary in that article, which attempts to make it appear as if there does exist some connection.  Imperium is, indisputably, the second biggest book on the extreme right, after Mein Kampf.  I don't think there's any real question its sufficiently notable to warrant an article of its own, even if the present quality of that article may be very low.  To judge the two articles, Western Imperium and Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics, as a single whole, is like conflating an academic text on waterfowl with a Donald Duck comic book, and claiming they are equivalent, because they both mention ducks. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Western Imperium, as it appears to be essentially original research without proper sourcing. Not sure about Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics - it might be notable enough for an article, but then again there's so little content in it it can easily be merged to Francis Parker Yockey anyway. Robofish (talk) 02:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.