Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western School of Health and Business Careers - Monroeville


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Western School of Health and Business Careers - Monroeville

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Article fails WP:NOTABILITY Hu12 (talk) 16:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:N Doc Strange (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okaythen, with the deletion of the adverts and the original research, it just barely meets WP:N, but I can only upgrade my vote to a Weak Keep right now Doc Strange (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   -- --  pb30 < talk > 17:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - tertiary educational institutions have long been regarded as notable. TerriersFan (talk) 17:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Accredited tertiary schools are surely notable. (I haven't seen a non-notable tertiary school yet, but surely accreditation is a stamp of notability for colleges/universities?) CRGreathouse (t | c) 03:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can demonstrate notability as per WP:N or WP:ORG. This is a for-profit company, and while I disagree with the sometimes wild lengths that some editors go to in avoiding mentions of for-profit companies, we do sometimes need to hold them to a strict standard. The reasons for that are (a) they've got a bit less accountability to the public and are therefore more likely to lie in their self-published materials, including their Web site, and (b) I think there's slightly more chance that someone working for the place could present the company in a distorted way. For the good of Wikipedia, we don't want to be an advertising vehicle. I did a cursory look at G-hits and Google Archive hits and didn't find good sources. Also, there's an article for this campus, but not for the school as a whole (the other campus is in Pittsburgh) and it seems to me that a single article encompassing the entire school would be more appropriate. By the way, the dean of education for this school plead guilty to charges that he lied to the federal government. That doesn't mean the school is lieing all over the place, but it isn't reassuring. Noroton (talk) 04:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't think material from the school should ever be used as a source for anything other than (personnel and) to document the school's viewpoint: in general, not just with for-profits. I agree, though, that a single article for the school would be better -- renaming it might be appropriate. CRGreathouse (t | c) 13:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I have converted this to a single article covering both campuses. I have also cleaned out the page to remove promotional material and added the Dean's conviction for balance. There are 122 articles in the For-Profit colleges category and I don't think we can object on that ground when Wikipedia is chock full of commercial companies and products. TerriersFan (talk) 18:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ... and now added the necessary independent sources to meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 20:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please help me, I am confuzzled. What other article? JERRY talk contribs 02:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was an article just on the Western School of Health and Business Careers - Monroeville caampus but with a wave of my mouse, as if by magic, it is now a page on the college as a whole :-) TerriersFan (talk) 11:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. OK, good deal. Another article saved from certain death by TF!  Do you keep count? JERRY talk contribs 16:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, the job satisfaction is enough but if we ever started to delete tertiary institutions we may as well give up having any pretence at being a serious encyclopaedia. TerriersFan (talk) 19:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep if a college is real, and it offers degrees, it's notable. Even associate degrees. Profit or non-profit has nothing to do with it. DGG (talk) 03:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as an accredited college which confers degrees. JERRY talk contribs 16:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.