Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westernization of Oceanic societies through cinematography


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. If anyone is actually interested in working on this as a draft, let me know and I'll move it there. Otherwise, the clear consensus is that this is not appropriate, and the sole "keep" argument is not valid or policy-based. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Westernization of Oceanic societies through cinematography

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More of an essay than an encyclopedic article (although it is written and cited well, so it does have that going for it). Which would be a violation of WP:NOTESSAY. Not finding enough to satisfy WP:GNG in terms of Westernization of Oceanic societies through cinematography as a concrete concept. IceBergYYC (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Oceania. IceBergYYC (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article is in desperate need of a rewrite. I don't think that is the right tag, though; it reads more to me like  . Still a problem, but not under the personal-opinion issue that WP:NOTESSAY is intended to combat. It has also been badly pecked by WP:PEACOCKs like 'rich tapestry of cultures and languages' and 'cherished and preserved their unique cultural traditions.' GNG is always difficult to assess on niche academic subjects, but this one does seem to narrowly pass with the sourcing provided. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 15:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC) See below, please.
 * To me, the sources could clearly support an article on Westernization of Oceania as a whole, and there could be a section about cinema. But even the best source currently in the article (8) is much more about using cinematography to combat westernization and preserve their own culture. IceBergYYC (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - Brand new editor, hit the ground running. They don't know all the ropes yet, but could use help, even mentorship.  Same experience happened to me the first time.  I was fortunate enough to get help from other editors. — Maile  (talk) 04:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, as entirely original research. I appreciate the effort the creator has put into this, and if they have an interest in Wikipedia and the potential to be a constructive member of this community, we should encourage them. But we don't do that by keeping articles that are contrary to policy. As far as I can tell, there aren't any sources that cover the topic of this article. There are historical and sociological sources about Oceania in general that the author has analyzed to write this. That's how academia works; that's not how Wikipedia works. We strictly summarize existing sources: and if secondary sources don't cover a topic, we don't cover it either. I don't see such sources here. This is an entirely understandable mistake to make, and for someone with a research-oriented bent it's perhaps the single most confusing thing about Wikipedia, but it's a mistake nonetheless. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Switch to Move & Draftify - Following 's post, I re-reviewed the sources. I still think that the source somewhat support this article, but I now agree with that the sources very much support an article for Westernisation of Oceanic Societies. The article as it sits is actually a good start for that since it's more WP:SYNTH than OR, and moving is a reasonable AtD. I think we can get an encyclopaedic and valuable article if we can get rid of the purple prose, add in some of the solid info in the sources for other ways in which Oceania is losing cultural identity, and invite some folks from the Wikiprojects from Culture, Globalization and Sociology. Thoughts? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.