Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westgreen Shopping Plaza (Saskatoon)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete -- Samir 03:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Westgreen Shopping Plaza (Saskatoon)

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Yet another nn strip mall in Saskatoon. Looking at the picture, I can see no reason to keep this page -- it's just a tiny strip that could be anywhere in Canada. The page is vague and makes no claim to notability, just like the other Canadian strips listed above. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Actions • Words))) 18:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, not encyclopedia-worthy. Punkmorten 20:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 *  ADVICE NEEDED - Article requested as a answer to a request Please advise what route should be taken.  This has been on several Talk pages already.  This was an answer which was derived at.  Another main article (city) was getting very lengthy, so the shopping malls were put into a list and a category created.  The malls were also attempted in a (neighborhood) articles which also was felt by Wiki editors to be getting lenghty.  Malls with photos and primary source information had articles written, some were started as stubs.  This was a request put out to start articles especially if it had a photo  It does conform to Wikipedi's s as it has encompassed these three.  (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research)  What seems to be the issue here is Notability (organizations and companies).   Shopping malls of various types are found in large and small communities, and are part of what defines a community.  Studying mall locations and amenities shows a suburb's or subdivision's inclinations, and desires for their particular convenient desire for example if the small strip mall contains a dry cleaning service or laundromat service for instance.  The shopping mall started out in the city article, then moved to the neighborhood article and then an article of its own.  This is an example of a Strip mall.  It is not one of many Power centres, Shopping mall or Shopping mall so it may not be notable because it is not big, and it does not serve a big neighborhood.  However it is important to the residents of that community and it is an example of that species.  There are many examples of the species defined at power centres, and none of the species defined at Strip mall.    SriMesh |  talk  22:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To answer your questions: While an article on a city is likely to be noteworthy, almost none of the malls in the city will be. You need to show why it is noteable to someone not familar with the city (not a resident). You give it away at "were put into a list". Lists are bad - see WP:Listcruft. The correct thing to do is Delete all mall entries for the city unless they are notable by common standards. Furthemore, because we have an entry for Shopping Malls does not mean we should create a stub for every shopping mall! The idea of a shopping mall is noteable; the majority of shopping malls themselves are NOT notable. Finally, "it is important to the residents of that community" is not criteria for notability in Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a yellow pages! See WP:NOT. Ibanix 23:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment/suggestion. Though individual malls within a city are for the most part going to fail notability requirements, I for one would not object too strongly to the smerging of such articles into an article such as Shopping malls in Saskatoon, which could quite comfortably take a short paragraph on each of the main ones. A single article on the main shopping malls in each sizeable city would be far preferable to stub articles on every shopping mall in the world, and would be encyclopaedic enough that they would be likely to survive without AfD'ing. Grutness...wha?  00:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good alternative to my earlier suggestion for including them in the neighborhood articles. Personally, though, I think they'd be more useful in the neighborhoods.DGG 05:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd advise against it myself, per This discussion on WP:MALLS. If you merge all the shopping centers in Saskatoon, you risk violating NPoV, and you also risk a bad case of listcruft -- because after all, what constitutes a mall or strip? There's a strip mall in my town that has only three stores in it, all vacant -- would I then include that under Shopping centers in Iosco County? (And keep in mind that the nearest enclosed mall to me is fifty miles away. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Actions • Words))) 17:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello Thanks to everyone who has commented, these all make sense, and such will be amended...see this page List of shopping malls in Saskatoon. and the changes therein so that there aren't little stubs about non-notable malls hanging about, but the ability to develop articles on the larger ones. There is also a WikiProject Shopping Centers which will help give guidelines for the larger malls. It so far has not listed guidelines re notability.  All the help is much appreciated.  Kind Regards.    SriMesh |  talk  04:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I know there's only been one delete vote, but I think the above discussious for the other strip malls in Saskatoon should be figured into the discussion for this one too. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Actions • Words))) 16:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable strip plaza.  Skeezix1000 11:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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