Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 11:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States
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Defunct micro-denomination that existed for less than 10 years. It is not included in any of the authoritative encyclopedic sources (e.g. Melton). Can find no sources to establish notability under GNG or NORG. Existing sources in the article are unreliable or unverifiable. My analysis follows:


 * 1) Link - This page is content copied from a self-published primary source formerly associated with the subject.
 * 2) Link - Online directory page; equivalent to citing the Yellow Pages
 * 3) Link - Primary source
 * 4) Banner of Truth magazine. This magazine is not available online (see here) and thus this citation is unverifiable.
 * 5) British Church Newspaper. Likewise unavailable online and thus unverifiable.
 * 6) Link - Primary source
 * 7) Link - Discussion board; user-generated content.
 * 8) Link - Primary source
 * 9) Link - Primary source
 * 10) Link - Primary source
 * 11) Link - Self-published primary source

During the 2006 AfD, which resulted in no consensus, those arguing for "keep" tended not to make policy-based arguments. Additionally, they specifically pointed to the British Church Newspaper and Banner of Truth Magazine citations as proving notability. After 18 years, however, these publications remain unavailable online (including in the Internet Archive) and thus cannot be verified. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. Invalid reasoning. A source that is not online remains verifiable by a trip to a library. Dead-tree sources are perfectly legitimate. And a denomination being defunct really doesn't matter. If it was notable once, it remains notabvle. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Per the 2006 discussion, this is the full text in one of the dead-tree sources: "On January 13-14, 2006, a new Presbyterian denomination was formed. During delegate meetings in Philadelphia, PA, the body adopted the name Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States (WPCUS). The founding churches came together because of perceived equivocation towards important biblical doctines and because of tolerance of excesses in contemporary worship in other Presbyterian denominations." Sounds like WP:TRIVIALMENTION to me. I've made every effort to verify its existence; however, the comprehensive Banner of Truth magazine archive does not include this citation (see page 99, where no such article is referenced in the April 2006 issue). The WP:BURDEN is on the editor who added the material to add a verifiable, reliable source, and this isn't. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Christianity,  and United States of America. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per WP:SIGCOV. The sources are either a walled garden type or passing mentions in directories. Bearian (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. This new denomination was an admin action by 7 churches. They changed their name and 10-15 years later changed it again. The refs don't stack up to notability. Desertarun (talk) 08:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


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