Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westpac Outstanding Women Award


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:27, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Westpac Outstanding Women Award

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no evidence of notability ; no evidence that receiveing it is a factor in notability. Most of the refs are mere notices; the most substantial, in the National. in actually just an announcement of a K 25,000 gift to support the award, which is utterly trivial.  DGG ( talk ) 11:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete: From where I'm standing, looks hopelessly trivial. That said, PNG is a small country that Western sources have a tendency not to care about. I can't rule out someone going on a deep dive and finding treasure, but I think it's less likely than many of the AfDs I point out that issue on. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Context: I starting this page while de-orphaning articles. In an attempt to de-orphan Bosa Togs, one recipient of a WOW Award, I discovered that there are six winners of this award (that I have identified so far) with Wikipedia pages. Generally, this is the kind of signal I look for to suggest that a page would be appropriate--multiple pages referencing an entity that does not have coverage in Wikipedia.


 * RE sourcing: as a librarian, one source that is extraordinarily helpful for identifying both major press outlets by country is the BBC Country Profiles. Each country has a page that describes the overall situation with the media an identifies the largest outlets in a number of categories. For PNG, I used the BBC Papua New Guinea Media profile ( to Vaticidalprophet 's point, the shortness of the profile demonstrates the small size of PNG's media presence, inline with the small size of the country). The top three media outlets mentioned are, in fact, The National, The Post-Courier, and EMTV, which are the main sources used in the article. Confoundingly to Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines, the BBC profile also mentions that blogs are central to communication in PNG, and this situation did, indeed, cause difficulties in writing an page that can pass notability standards. Many helpful sources are blogs, and many websites use blogging platforms as hosts. That said, the article does rest heavily on the major media outlets of the country of PNG.


 * Once more, apparent notability to an international audience certainly can be inhibited by the size of PNG. However, I will note that English is one of the three official languages of PNG, and therefore English Wikipedia is an appropriate and important place to reflect entities of notability within the nation.


 * As to the award itself, PNG has both long-standing and more contemporary reasons that women have much lower profiles in society, and experience many barriers to participating in the economy. This award was created as a way to recognize, promote, and normalize women in the workforce and in visible positions therein. According to the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap Report 2020 PNG ranks 127 of 153 countries with regard to equality of women, it ranks last among East Asian and Pacific countries, and overall by category it ranks 152 for political empowerment of women, 132 for educational attainment of women, and 70 for economic participation. The United Nations also recognizes this issue, for example the UNFPA states: "Gender equality is a significant challenge in PNG, and systemic violations of women’s rights exist throughout the country." As such, Westpac's decision to highlight and encourage professional women has created a significant opportunity to create role models, and has specifically been a vehicle for advancing educational and professional opportunities for the awardees, who - in turn - have continued to play major roles in PNG economy and society (some examples off the top of my head: Crystal Kewe's Crysan Technology now has Silicon Valley offices, and is now multinatonal, according to this source; Samantha Maria Andreas also won a Chevening Scholarship and is now at a major company in PNG, Ok Tedi Mining Ltd; Margaret Aka, is the first female coach of the national football teams, and so on). That the award has lasted for a decade and a half is also no small matter. Looking at Economy_of_Papua_New_Guinea, the awardees come from all the major industries, many of them working for the major companies mentioned in that article (For example, Andreas' employer). Furthermore, while fighting for equal pay for, say, two women in a company may seem small, it is not that different from how change ultimately comes about in other countries, such as the United States (though it may happen through court cases in the US). Overall, both the intent and the impact of these awards do very much strike me as notable. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 22:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, Wikipedia's own page on Communications_in_Papua_New_Guinea lists these same source. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha! My spark of hope is fulfilled! This is an incredibly promising start, and exactly what I keep telling people happens with non-English/non-Western AfDs that don't get a very close WP:BEFORE. Accordingly, let's call it a keep, and I think I'll find myself bringing this case up in many BEFORE-lacking AfDs. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. The amount of the award may not be high but recognition of women's achievements is certainly important in this small developing country. Remember it is the award the article is about, not the individual women who received it. Notability is supported by the sources given.--Ipigott (talk) 07:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * And, FWIW, an entire year of college tuition at the University of Papua New Guinea is in the range of ~K3,000 (2019) -- so K25,000 might very well make post secondary education possible. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Could have closed this as no consensus verging on keep but will give it another 7 day spin to see if anyone wants to raise anything else.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per ' excellent explanation above. Absolutely worthy of an article. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the explanation gives a lot of detail and the article is sound Lajmmoore (talk) 19:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * *Keep and put in charge of a new WikiProject to overhaul award pages. So many skip right over actually describing the award and its significance, to go straight to a list of winners. Here we finally have a referenced entry that tells us about the award itself! Well done. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


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