Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westwood High School (Michigan)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 03:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Westwood High School (Michigan)

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Non-notable school. Article was created 30 days ago and has been abandoned with out establishing notability. Adam in MO Talk 09:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Can't argue with that, 30 days is enough of a chance. Delete. --fvw *  09:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Wikipedia isn't running out of disk space. Someone might add to this article at some point. Starting an AfD is a waste of everyone's time. Why do people start these AfDs ? Arid Zkwelty (talk) 12:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to N.I.C.E. Community Schools, which already contains more information about the school than this one-sentence article. The district apparently consists of only three schools (with this being the only high school), so the district article should be able to handle the information about all three. Deor (talk) 13:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Changing to keep per expansion of article. Deor (talk) 15:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep High schools are notable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Schools are NOT automatically notable, so speedy keep is not an option. Also, this is not a vote (so an admin will likely ignore your comment since you offer no rationale).  TJ   Spyke   18:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to N.I.C.E. Community Schools per Deor. I personally would have speedied the article for lack of content or context (it doesn't distinguish the school from any similar ones). Even when you consider high schools notable, the article should contain enough material to actually be an article. The community article has more information and does does a better job. As Deor notes, there should be no size issues that warrant splitting in the immediate future. - Mgm|(talk) 15:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge With the article expanded, it's now larger and more informative that the material I previously cited. But my last comment from then still stands. - Mgm|(talk) 11:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - as with all high schools sufficient sources are available to meet WP:ORG. The fact that this page was created 30 days ago(!) is irrelevant; there is no time limit on the development of articles. TerriersFan (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Deor. No sources and nothing notable about this school. I think it should be deleted, but for some reason admins don't like to delete any school articles and the recommended option is to merge it into a article on the school district it belongs too.  TJ   Spyke   18:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and troutslap nominator. WP:NODEADLINE, WP:NOT, Notability (high schools).  Adequate sources for notability and encyclopedic content were easy to find.  Jerry   delusional ¤ kangaroo 18:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:NHS is just a essay, meaning it's just an opinion and is not a rule or guideline. If there are sources of notability, why not add them? There are 3 sources in the article and none of them are good enough (one is the schools website, one is the schools entry on its school district site, and one is a website containing info on almost every school in the country). You say it's notably, but fail to state why. AFD's are NOT votes.  TJ   Spyke   20:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not justavote... I explained why I think the article should be kept. And are you suggesting that a) I don't know the essay that I wrote is an essay? or b) that I can not cite my essay as my reasoning for my opinion in this AFD?  Would you rather I transclude it or write the whole thing here?  Because I can, but I don't see a reason to do so, when any editor can click the link and read it.  Did you read it?
 * The fact is that in 5 years of deletion debates on the English Wikipedia, there are *NO* high school articles that have been deleted for notability concerns which remain deleted today. Although not de jure, the inherent notability of high schools as a subject for Wikipedia articles is most certainly a de facto policy. High school after high school get nominated, and *ALL* get kept; many, if not most in WP:SNOW and/ or WP:HEY conditions.
 * And you should probably also read this:

...if someone wants to write an article about their high school, we should relax and accommodate them, even if we wish they wouldn't do it. And that's true *even if* we should react differently if someone comes in and starts mass-adding articles on every high school in the world. Let me make this more concrete. Let's say I start writing an article about my high school, Randolph School, of Huntsville, Alabama. I could write a decent 2 page article about it, citing information that can easily be verified by anyone who visits their website. Then I think people should relax and accommodate me. It isn't hurting anything. It'd be a good article, I'm a good contributor, and so cutting me some slack is a very reasonable thing to do...
 * --Jimbo (dated November 7, 2003 Partial solution to rampant deletionism, Wikimedia, November 7, 2003. Accessed September 25, 2007.)
 *  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 02:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article is written in an overtly promotional style, and doesn't make any claims to notability or cite reliable sources. Cynical (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that the promotional style needs to be cleaned up, but WP:OUTCOMES notes that high schools are generally kept as notable, while primary and middle schools are redirected to the school district.  Mandsford (talk) 23:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OUTCOMES just says how AFDs usually turn out, it's not an argument to be used. If you think it should be kept, you need to explain why and not just say "high school articles are usually kept".  TJ   Spyke   00:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't need to explain anything. Cite something different if you think that high schools aren't notable.  Mandsford (talk) 02:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The essay is 100% correct, and rather than "opinion", reflects the consensus of hundreds of High School article AfDs. We do not delete high school articles on the basis of notability, because through an exhaustive series of attempts at doing so, over a very long period of time, EVERY high school inevitably is found to easily meet the primary retention criteria of WP:N through WP:V. There is NO DEADLINE to do this. High schools are a central institution within communities that generates news, and as such through a search of articles and archives can be shown to be notable. It is a matter of courtesy and convenience to preassume them to be notable to avoid deletion discussions that NEVER result in deletion. There is ample precedent to summarily dismiss deletion nominations for high schools. I invite you to peruse the innumerable deletion discussions that ultimately resulted in keeps... or find me even one that resulted in a deletion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep because the common outcome for HS's is common for reasons well explained in the dated but still-cogent argument from Jimbo presented above. Improve, don't delete. Townlake (talk) 02:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the guidelines of Notability (high schools) and improve per WP:ATD. No need to dispose of it because it isn't yet perfect, or because its been 30 days. TO REPEAT: THERE IS NO DEADLINE. Deleting because someone has not improved an article per some arbitrary time limit does not improve Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep There doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether or how to apply notability to schools. As long as the information meets WP:V, I see no reason to delete. Mdwh (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I can't quite understand the logic behind the nomination. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Try looking at the state of the article at the time it was nominated. Deor (talk) 16:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * AFD is not expedited article cleanup.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 17:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I thought we had a consensus that all high schools were notable. That includes those with bad articles.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: This article has been significantly expanded since being nominated for deletion. As of 17:01, 20 December 2008,, it asserted being a public high school in the N.I.C.E. Community Schools school district in Michigan. The article has been greatly improved since. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  06:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per being a diploma-granting, taxpayer-supported high school. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  06:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect to the school system or community. Egads, how much shorter would each day's AFD be if everyone actually read WP:BEFORE before making nominations. Neier (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.