Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/What Gets Me Hot!


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 22:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

What Gets Me Hot!

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Porn movie who's only notability is from the fact that it was Traci Lords's first film. Basically, a trivia point. Ricky81682 (talk) 20:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, but needs cleanup. That it was her first film is not so special. That she was underage at the time and the fact that this movie is (I assume) illegal in the states makes it more than a trivia point. Garion96 (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I am finding some reliable sources on this, which is rather unusual for porn-related articles:, . I agree about the circumstances of her being underage making this an interesting topic.  Cazort (talk) 22:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  —PC78 (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment is there actually any reliable source to support the claim that this was her first film and that it was, in fact, illegal in the states? Right now the article is completely unreferenced (and the porn IMDB equivalent doesn't count). If these claims to notability can not be verified, then should be deleted. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 15:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The two sources I gave do establish this. Cazort (talk) 20:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at both, neither says it was her first film, and from what I'm reading, it appears a lot of porn films were caught in a "crack down" not just this one. Neither source also clearly indicates if this happened before or after the film's released, but they read like this happened after the fact, which wouldn't really confer any notability here, but be a statement on the porn industry in general. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 20:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the way I saw it. Is every movie she did while underaged and subsequently illegal now notable?  That seems silly.  If there was an article about what happened when they found out (or just a list of what movies had to be pulled), that would make sense, but at this point, the entire notability is based on that one fact which makes it seem like the equivalent of WP:BLP1E. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete Unfortunately neither of the two sources Cazort provides does meet my expectations of a notable discussion of the movie; rather they are incidental mentions that this was one of several pornos she appeared in as a minor. However, since I would expect the first porno she appeared in was a significant event in Traci Lords's life (okay, if I appeared in even just one porn movie it would not only be memorable, but have a distinct effect on my later life -- & no, I won't explain), & Traci Lords is a notable person, something should be written about it. (I'm thinking along the lines of its production, how Lords was brought into it, how it affected her, etc.) But if the information is not available in a form that can be added to WP, then it's going to get deleted. -- llywrch (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * While the first porno she appeared in was a significant even in her life, notability isn't inherited and it looks like it was just a generic porno, except for the fact that its lead star was underage at the time and so it's now illegal. It's the same issue with Those Young Girls, Talk Dirty To Me Part III, Sister Dearest and Kinky Business among others (that last one's really a stretch since just one scene had her and they just removed it to release the film).  -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Your insistence that "notability isn't inherited" only works so far. My point is that it derives notability from her only if it can be related to her life. (In the same way how PT-109 is notable due to president John F. Kennedy: there wouldn't be an article about it because the average WWII patrol boat is, arguably, not notable.) At the moment the article does not explain how the porno flick relates to her life, & I'm not confident that the material exists that would allow someone to do exactly that -- which is why I'm voting "Weak delete". Now stop arguing with me because I largely agree with you or I'll change my vote to "weak keep", so we can have something to argue about. ;) -- llywrch (talk) 05:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I want to point out that because of the clandestine nature of porn in our society, a notable porn film, actor, or any topic related to porn, is not going to attract the same sort of attention from mainstream media outlets as an equally notable actor, movie, or topic relating to other film. I know not every editor agrees with me, but I am of the belief that, when it comes to porn, anything that meets WP:Verifiability is above and beyond the standards of WP:Notability.  It sounds like the discussion above, however, has raised some doubts about verifiability of some of the text on this page--I would say that if we can't verify that this was her first film, we should edit the page to remove these assertions.  But...my belief that this film is notable still stands.  Cazort (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the exact point I am wrestling with: what makes a porn movie notable? I took a look at the relevant WikiProject pages, & failed to find any discussion of the matter. (Maybe it exists, but I couldn't find it.) Pornography is, generally speaking, an ephemeral medium, quickly & cheaply produced, released with scant attention beyond its target audience -- & forgotten. I'll freely admit some of it is worth an encyclopedia entry (Deep Throat immediately comes to mind), but the largest portion of it is of less interest to anyone than 30-year-old utility bills. If someone can put a given porno movie into some context -- how this one fit into Lord's life, for example -- then notability is proven. (But after having a peak at her autobiography over at Amazon, I'm not convinced that the reliable material is there for a Wikipedia editor to do this.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say porn should still be held to the same standards as all other topics: if it has received significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, its notable. If not, its just like most straight to DVD releases or every Harlequin novel ever released - not notable enough for a article beyond the general topic of porn, romance novel, etc. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 17:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Skinflicks: The Inside Story of the X-Rated Video Industry verifies that she "lost her 'screen cherry'" with Tom Byron in this movie. And the Encyclopedia of Television Subjects, Themes and Settings says, "Fifteen-and-a-half-year old Traci Lords (born on May 7, 1968) made her first adult film (What Gets Me Hot) in early 1984. In total she made 100 Triple X films, 99 of which are illegal...her only legal film is 1987's Traci, I Love You..." DHowell (talk) 02:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Being a major performer's first film is notability, even though the film may be trivial otherwise.DGG (talk) 07:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when? No guideline states that anywhere. And it isn't her first major film, just her first film, and this is not applied to any other film that I've ever seen. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 17:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Right now something less than 20% of the article is about it being her first porno; 80% is about what happens, viz. who does what to whom. If there's little hope of writing more than a list of "who does what to whom", then this -- & the rest of her films -- should be rolled into a list article. It's not a question of notability, but of appropriate emphasis. -- llywrch (talk) 18:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


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