Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/What do you call a male/female Dragon?


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The result was   Delete. Snowball delete of original research. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

What do you call a male/female Dragon?

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WP:OR; WP:MADEUP; non-notable. I originally tagged this as db-G3, then PROD, but original author has contested this. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 07:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as something made up on a schoolday and original research, there are no sources--Lerdthenerd (talk) 07:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as OR.--Yopie (talk) 08:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

comment all dragon thru the history or even new books about dragons are "makeup", all Fantasy is makeup stories and so are ALL Sci-Fi (Sci-Fy), this article is hard work by 3 people we have read and study many books, and we cannot find this in any books (That we have read) thru the history of mankind and people have ask the question, “what do you call a female Dragon?” You can make search on the net and you will see that the question is out there. We now have the question answered. I even trying to get Ann McCaffery to support this and I will try other writers of dragon books (Fantasy and Sci-Fi) to support this.

RealBigSwede aka RP Hagge


 * I can't see how this article is useful realbigswede all it is is original research and nonsense--Lerdthenerd (talk) 09:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Of cause it is orginal reaserch, I have done it! It have taken me long time to do,


 * Lerdhenerd, are you calling all fantasy Nonsense? if so, you are realy stepping on many people toes. People that read and "live" the dragon life are Huge around the world.

plus we have in here articles about dragons, from China, Europe, Japan almost from every country in the world. -- RealBigSwede (talk) 09:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * no i'm not calling all fantasy nonsense, this article looks like a conversation between two people talking about dragons, and the article name isn't really sensible as an article name.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 10:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok what would you like the articles name have? I was thinking that if someone is typing in the question on a search it would come up, I'm total open to ideas, but I think this is for other people that are reading Fantasy would love to have this as a reference. I would not even be surprise that we are soon going to see this in fantasy books. This is very serious for us in the fan of fantasy reading. --- RealBigSwede (talk) 10:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Look you seem to be a newish user (think i saw your username on list of new users special page), my only advice is read the policies catfish jim has given here and the five pillars before editing again, wikipedia is not the place for articles like this--Lerdthenerd (talk) 10:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 *  Strong delete I'd have my male/female Dragonite destroy this article. This article fails WP:OR, and obviously was made up by someone, somewhere in one day. It doesn't matter whether what do you call a male or female dragon, but rather, how this this is encyclopedic. An essay written by one person in one sure doesn't seem to be notable. Even dragons would think this article isn't encyclopedic. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a collection of essays. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * the way you are talking then we should delete every article that have something about dragon in. The information that we have put together is NOT an essay, we have worked hard with this and we do not aprisiated that tone. We are not a bunch of cooks. This ia part of the Fantacy world. and Article like this is and should be part of the Encyclopedia. Even in Encyclopidia Like Encyclopidia Britanica starteing to inserting words that are slang.


 * and YOU maybe don't care but it is people out there that are asking the question.-- RealBigSwede (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * we all are newbies and that should have nothing to do with if an article should be aproved or not. You still did not answer my question to you, Leadhenerd. -- RealBigSwede (talk) 11:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

(<-indent) I have answered your question, read up on policies, and becareful next time you make an article--Lerdthenerd (talk) 11:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible delete - classic example of WP:MADEUP at its most naive and useless. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Blog-like gibberish, complete Wp:OR. Tarc (talk) 13:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I Take offence of some of your posting... for us That are in to Dragons this is not "Blog-like gibberish". If this is supoce to be an Discussion you are not most of you have posted rude and mean comments, That is not a way to have a discussion. I'm in talk now with some writers and If I can get them to indorce this. and someone have already posted that they was looking for this information.--RealBigSwede (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I called it gibberish because it is written with extremely poor grammar, using odd tenses and sentence forms. It is essentially unreadable, and difficult to discern what the topic actually is.  Getting notable writers to come to the Wikipedia and say "I endorse this article" is likely not going to happen, but even if it did, that is not how notability is established here for articles.  You need to find reliable sources that discuss the subject (whatever that may be) of the article. Tarc (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Question for RealBigSwede Do these terms (R'ulouk; R'ulauk; R'rulouk; H'eiks; H'eika; H'eiksis) appear in any reliable third party source... i.e. did you find them in a book or did you or your friends make them up? Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 14:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as apparent unsourced original research. If there were terms for male and female dragons, the appropriate place to mention them would be in the Dragon article, just like terms such as "stallion" and "mare" are mentioned in Horse and "bull" and "cow" are mentioned in Cattle. The article says that after reading many books about dragons, still no real name was found for what we call male/female dragons. So if the terms used in this article didn't come from a book, they are probably original research. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We made them since no word did excist that we have found so far. But they are done in the tradition of many Fantasy books and the spelling on name of places, name of dragons, names of people and so on. we spend many hours to put this together.. this was not just a spure of a moment and then put together. We was very seriose when we started this.--RealBigSwede (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes we did the reaserch. and Yes you are correct Metro that is what we are trying to get people to understand..--RealBigSwede (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If that is indeed this case, thne this runs afoul of the Wikipedia' oriignal research policy. As such, this will never be acceptable as an article here. Tarc (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. It's not Wikipedia's role to make up terms for different genders of dragons and then try to get fantasy authors to use them. Rather, the people who write fiction and mythology about dragons should originate the terms and get them into use, and after that those terms can be put into Wikipedia. If Anne McCaffrey, Robin Hobb, Christopher Paolini and other fantasy authors all used the same terms for male and female dragons, that would be worth mentioning in the Dragon article, but the terms here like "r'ulouk" and "h'eiks" are apparently not used anywhere outside Wikipedia. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * that is the same as when Asinow made the robot laws, he use then one time in an article he wrote and later many other start using them. here we have the same Idea make a rule and others will start using them. and I would say I'm the writert that have posted them for all to use. what is Einstain would hade the "rule" since you are the orginal person that say E=M2 we can't publish it.--RealBigSwede (talk) 15:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the point. Asimov didn't just create the Three Laws of Robotics and expect them to get listed in encyclopedias because he thought they were a great idea that science fiction writers ought to use. He used the three laws many times in various stories, and the laws have been referenced in many other works as well, which is why Wikipedia has an article about them -- the three laws were already well-known before Wikipedia had an article about them. By contrast, the terms "r'ulouk" and "h'eiks" are apparently words you have made up recently, and they shouldn't get listed in this encyclopedia until they attain some recognition outside Wikipedia first. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Strong Delete: The original author has essentially confirmed that this is OR. I don't blame him he just wasn't familiar with Wikipedia policy, still we should not keep this article. --Deathawk (talk) 22:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - So many words for so little content. Made up. Merge the thimble-full of essence to Dragon. Carrite (talk) 16:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I think the author is one of our younger contributors, so I will say nothing about the contents and merely state that the topic does not appear to be encyclopedic. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - can we get Bishzilla to eat this article? Or G3 speedy it as a blatant hoax? Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Snow delete Seriously. Someoneanother 19:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP is not a place for people to invent new words and then try to convince other people to use them. Even if every major fantasy author decided to use these words from now on (pretty unlikely), that would still only merit a brief mentions at dragon, not a whole separate article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have never seen more blatant disrespect of some of them so called admins, while some of you are real good make your case nicely while others are just rude and mean. Here you coming and SPITTING on people that are working hard on a subject!! I get the feeling that some of you love to rip and spit into people that are sincere and that makes you feel great and important! Just remember this if it was not for people like me, You would not be here! I think you need to show respect to others that comes here.

Deathhawk showes respect of others, Thanks!

StarBlind must be blind since he like to be very rude, I probably older then you “kiddo”

Ellen of the road comments like that should make your lose your right to even post comments

Christhedude Thanks for showing respect and give an Idea what could be done. Thanks.

Carrite Is and other rude person.

Metropolitan90 Thanks for understand and for being a real administrators.

Tarc First You are rude then Great. Thanks for your Last post I like it.

Catfish Jim and the soapdish a real great person that can post and make people understand, THANKS!

Lerdthenerd The best of the people I had the pleasure to meet in here with great encourage and with a will to help to educate, not ripping and pretending to be a better the "all the lowlife" THANKS You are a shining star!! THANKS!

Some of you have made me uderstand that this should be a part of the Dragon section and I will except That


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