Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WhatsOnStage Award for Best Actor in a Play


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 00:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

WhatsOnStage Award for Best Actor in a Play

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Inadequately sourced list article. The one reference, which is probably press-release-driven, does not list the award winners or discuss them in any detail. The source merely links to the the WhatsOnStage website. Violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:LISTN. - MrX 13:46, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Please can you let me know how best to reference award winners if not by linking to the official awards archive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibenh (talk • contribs) 14:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

For example, the tony awards page for best actress doesnt reference an external source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Award_for_Best_Actress_in_a_Play — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibenh (talk • contribs) 14:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * References have to be from reliable sources and independent of the subject. They also need to discuss the topic (WhatsOnStage Award for Best Actor in a Play) in some detail and not simply mention it. The Tony awards get substantial media coverage each year and they have a ~65 year history, so that's really not an apt comparison. - MrX 14:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. - MrX 14:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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The Whatsonstage awards get substantial media coverage (are you in the US by any chance)? The awards are regularly discussed by national press and influential people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21466222 - http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2013/feb/18/sweeney-todd-whatsonstage-theatre-awards - http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2013/02/chichester-festival-theatre-wins-six-prizes-at-the-whatsonstage-awards/

The same goes for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Whatsonstage.com_Awards (how can you say that the article is about a non-notable website?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibenh (talk • contribs) 15:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikibenh, please sign all of your future talk page posts by typing four tildes at the end like this ~
 * Let me quote from the notability guideline "Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources...". In my view, the sources that you presented are insufficient for meeting this standard. If there are good sources that discuss the Awards for Best Actor in a Play collectively, mentioning that they have been awarded every years since 2001, then perhaps this list article would be warranted. - MrX 15:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - I skipped over the main awards page AfD because I'm not familiar enough, but this one is crazy (especially in addition to awards by year when notability of the whole thing is barely established. Indiscriminate, fails LISTN per above. --Rhododendrites (talk) 19:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikibenh (talk) 15:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC) I've added the results history to the main article Whatsonstage.com Awards now, so I'm happy for these seperate articles to be deleted. Thanks, Ben
 * Keep and wikify -- We do not allow Awards categories, and instead expect the awards to be listified as an article. The corollary is that we should keep the awards articles, even for not very notable ones.  IN this case, it is obvious to me that many of the recipients are notable, as would be obvious if the appropriate links were made.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that we don't allow awards categories? What about Category:Theatre awards and its children? - MrX 22:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ymblanter (talk) 08:59, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Follow up -- Category:Theatre awards is a category of articles on awards. The normal outcome of a WP:CFD on an award (winners) category - which is what these are - is "listify and delete". It follows that we should keep the related list articles: see WP:OC.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is the perfect example of how to mess up AFD's, there are three separate AFD's ongoing one failed because the main awards are notable and now thats at AFD which given meets GNG and is unlikely to be deleted. Simple checks have not been carried out here and sources that cover are available. AFD is for notability not for editorial decisions that should be made through normal processes. This is a clear case of something that is notable and shouldn't be at AFD the following sources about the main awards all talk about best actor in play and this is for this years awards and it doesn't take long to find similar for all previous years including more in depth once the awards are actually awarded. BBC, The Guardian, The Express and the Belfast Telegraph. Nominator should not of made three nominations virtually at the same and should of waited for result of one or the other. Blethering  Scot  12:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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