Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WhatsUp Gold


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

WhatsUp Gold

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Article fails WP:NOTABILITY and WP:COI.Was speedied under WP:CSD. Has a few links but they seem to be press releases and merely trivial coverage or mentions. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. which is clearly noted in the notability guidelines. Advert. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 15:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Self-Promotion, fails G11 Doc Strange (talk) 17:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. KurtRaschke (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I edited the article to address the notability concern, in particular adding an article about the company from The Boston Globe, which can hardly be described as trivial. I also removed the link to the press release to address your concerns.  I've also had other people in the industry look at the entry and they don't see a problem with it.Gtewallace (talk) 13:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 04:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Ipswitch, Inc., the article on the company. Very borderline. --Dhartung | Talk 10:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - the "sources" consist of a single solid review, a one-line mention in a more obscure publication, and an article which is about the parent company, not the software, and thus totally irrelevant. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  18:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Orange - I disagree that an article about the parent company is totally irrelevant to the software, and I found several examples on Wikipedia where references to the company are included on product articles (Tivoli Software, Coca-Cola, to name two). I decided to include just one review because it is representative and I thought it would be redundant (and would lean towards advertising) to list a series of reviews all of which basically say the same thing.  All this being said, I think Dhartung's recommendation to merge with the Ipswitch, Inc. article is very sensible.Gtewallace (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete - I believe WhatsUp Gold is one of the most popular network management applications and is used by thousands of network administrators. I think it has been around for more than a decade. It is known by the product name NOT the company name, so people probably won't think to search for it by the company name. I'm sure there are many articles written about the product in the networking publications. I have read a few myself. I'll see if I can find some and add them to the article. The article does seem to focus too much on the company and not enough on the product. I suggest moving the unique company info to the company page and adding a better description of the product's purpose and functionality to this article.--KRS24 (talk) 03:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.