Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wheel doughnut


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. henrik • talk  19:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Wheel doughnut

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Article is little more than a definition of a minor car part, that does not appear to have much notability beyond a mention or two on car sites. QueenCake (talk) 22:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 February 19.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  22:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:DICDEF. A trivial definition like this is barely even appropriate an an entry in an encyclopedic glossary, as it doesn't provide much contextual information. Definitely not an article in itself. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 01:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:DICDEF specifically says that size is not a factor - see its section Not size. This policy is quite irrelevant to matters of deletion because its point is navigational, "In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by.".  This means that we consider this topic not by its title but by its nature.  Its essential nature is to talk of cooling systems for brakes.  Do we have coverage of this elsewhere?  If so, we would merge.  If not, we would expand.  This is how we build the encyclopedia per our editing policy. Warden (talk) 11:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge into Glossary of motorsport terms. This is the perfect place for small stubs that just define the terminology. --Falcadore (talk) 03:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would support a redirect and merge to that article. QueenCake (talk) 16:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Based upon Pyrope's comments I'll retract the support for a redirect and go back to delete. I can't find any other usage of the term either. QueenCake (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Brake cooling is not a minor matter because brakes fail when they overheat and this is a major issue for high-performance cars. Air dams accentuate this problem because they restrict the flow of air and so brake cooling ducts are a good engineering response.  See Car Hacks and Mods For Dummies for some coverage of the topic.  See also our editing policy. Warden (talk) 11:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So go write a page on brake ducts; this isn't it. This is a single instance use of a simile to describe a small component of the vehicle's brake cooling system. If you want to throw around MoS pages, try WP:NAD for size. Also, the reference you supply doesn't mention the word "doughnut" even once, and all of its discussion on brake ducting shows a very different system to the one that this article (doesn't really) describe.  Pyrop e  18:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I see no evidence whatsoever that this term exists outside of the single reference given in the article. Indeed, even in the article itself inverted commas are used to indicate that this is not a technical or official term, and just the most apt simile that the journalist could come up with.  Pyrop e  21:44, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * &hellip; which would be a convincing explanation were it actually true, but it plainly isn't true at all. The journalist is simply quoting &mdash; in this case quoting Ferrari:"'Infine, sono stati introdotti schermi di ispirazione F1 (detti 'wheel donuts') che carenano parzialmente i dischi freni e il cerchio con la duplice funzione di migliorare sia l'aerodinamica che il raffreddamento.' &mdash;" Ferrari even provides an English translation:"'Ferrari's engineers have also used F1-derived 'doughnuts', which partly cover the brake discs and wheel rim. These have the dual functions of improving aerodynamics and cooling the brakes.' &mdash;"Uncle G (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And who was the Ferrari press release written by? An engineer? Highly doubtful. You still haven't shown that this term is used outside of this one specific instance though, have you? This is still trivia.  Pyrop e  18:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge as per Falcadore  Ron h jones (Talk) 21:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * For that you would have to show that it is a bona fide term in general use. We're not in the business of cluttering up the glossary with trivia culled from a single press release.  Pyrop e  22:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.