Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/When Will My Life Begin?


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The result was   keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

When Will My Life Begin?

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Contested prod. Article does not assert its independent notability. The mere fact of being a Disney song is not sufficient. Was not released as a single. No thematic info, composers' notes, sales info, awards, extremely limited reception. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep as creator: Potential future article beats actual current article every time. These songs from musicals may not have been released as singles, but have been extensively analysed and there is a wealth of information about their context within the movie. Looking for sources will demonstrate its notability.--Coin945 (talk) 04:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not independently notable.  Basically sourced to blogs and film reviews.  I don't see anything obvious on Google. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Article has been improved since vote. In response to your critique, I went ahead and sourced lots of information on the song's production, and added a book source. Again, this doesn't cover every single source available, but it is certainly more than "blogs and film reviews" and demonstrates the song's notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coin945 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 7 July 2014
 * Keep. The article has been expanded considerably since AfD nomination, and I'm curious to see what would come up eventually. ALittle Que nhi  ( talk to me ) 10:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep As per Quenhitran. Reviewed article in time since AfD nomination, and there's been significant expansion. Notability appears to be established now. -- McDoob  AU93  16:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep As stated above. ALittle Que nhi  ( talk to me ) 16:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC) struck duplicate !vote -- RoySmith (talk) 23:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The creator has established notability for the article. No matter what'd be its eventual quality, it should not be deleted.Forbidden User (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Yes, it has many citations, but some of them are to unreliable sources, and most of the rest of film reviews.  WP:NSONGS says: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created."  I think film reviews are pretty much the same thing.  We're not counting how many times the song gets mentioned, we're looking for significant coverage.  It looks like I'm going to get overruled by sheer numbers here, but these are not policy-based votes, and they run directly counter to established notability guidelines. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Concur with NinjaRobotPirate. First, the song, while very nice, is not notable in and of itself. The only really notable song from Tangled is "I See The Light." Second, only three of the sources cited appear to pass WP:RS at first glance. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Just because "I See The Light" is "really notable", it doesn't mean this song isn't still notable at all. The former song is simply *more* notable.--Coin945 (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

This song in the Rapunzel template

 * In other (but related) news, I've been trying to add these songs from Tangled to Template:Rapunzel, but every time I do, they get deleted. I had the impression that when a franchise offshoot didn't have its own template (Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera etc.), they were merged with the template about the original property. But despite other parts of the Tangled franchise being in the Rapunzel template, the songs keep getting deleted. Now that I know the article is being kept, I want to bring up this discussion. Am I in the right or in the wrong?--Coin945 (talk) 18:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
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