Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where Did They Film That Italy


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Where Did They Film That Italy

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Described in the article as "a cinematic travel based brand extended to multimedia platform", this is essentially a travel book published one month ago and the CD which accompanies it, released 5 days ago. The book and CD are the first and only exponents of this "brand". The book comprehensively fails Notability (books). The sole coverage is press releases or press-release based. Ditto the CD. The article is basically an advertorial. The author/singer's article, Romina Arena, is also problematic with claims to notability which may or may not be true—referenced almost exclusively to primary sources, local press puff-pieces, and press releases. Voceditenore (talk) 04:54, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm not finding much out there, to be honest. So far all I'm finding are press releases, sales pages, primary sources, and a review in a book review site that openly offers marketing packages to authors. (NTTAWWT necessarily, but it makes it an unusable source for Wikipedia's purposes.) I'll try hitting up my school databases, but offhand this looks pretty non-notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Romina_Arena. I can find nothing to show that this book is notable, which is somewhat surprising given that Arena seems to be relatively well known, as you'd think that there would be some sort of news coverage if a musician wrote a travel/movie book. However there isn't and the book is non-notable at this point in time. Normally I'd suggest a redirect to the author's page in the hopes that the book might gain coverage in the future, but this article has issues with promotion and copyright. It'd need a pretty substantial re-write to fully remove all of the promotional language and any remaining copyright violations. Given that they'd still be in the article's history, I'd prefer that a neutral version be written from scratch, hence the delete and redirect. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * At first I too found it puzzling that there wasn't any independent coverage of this book/CD given the notability for Arena claimed in her article, but on closer investigation of that article, most of it is manufactured and exaggerated and has no real third-party sources to support it. The coverage of her consists of identical articles about utterly non-notable Italian "awards", and a series of press release-based articles and interviews from 2012 which coincided with the publicity push for the album Morricone Uncovered in which she covered a series of film songs by Morricone. Every one of the articles repeats the same press release with the claims that (among other things) Ennio Morricone is her mentor. I've yet to see a single article in which Morricone himself has said that or any evidence of any collaboration between them after that album. The collaboration itself is very tenuous. According to one of the articles cited, it was actually his son who helped her arrange the songs, not Morricone himself. Morricone Uncovered has not received mainstream independent coverage in Italy, let alone the US. It's not surprising that this one hasn't either, although this Wikipedia article is obviously meant as a means to to achieve that. Voceditenore (talk) 05:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think that her article should go for AfD? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about AfD, Tokyogirl. Her recordings may satisfy WP:MUSICBIO, but it definitely needs a massive clean-up to tone down the claims and remove the multiplicity of press-release based "references". After that is done, it may be more easy to make an assessment. Voceditenore (talk) 11:25, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom – is spot-on as usual. Wikipedia is not an advertising platform, and this is an advertisement. Both this and Draft:Where Did They Film That? Italy – The Music Journey (Album) are probably eligible for speedy deletion as G11, unambiguous advertising.  appears to have done almost nothing for the last five years but promote Romina Arena; I suggest that editor read Blocking policy, which in turn links WP:NOTHERE. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:26, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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