Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where I Come From (Christy Moore album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor 20:50, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Where I Come From (Christy Moore album)

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 * Delete. Issues aroundd WP:NN, essentially, like the other articles listed below. All are bare listings without any indication of notability and all are the work of the same editor resembling a private collection rather than an encyclopaedic series. In some cases, there is a WP:V issue too.
 * I am nominating the following which are all related to the above:
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Note: the article creator is blocked and won't be —or at least shouldn't be— repairing deficiencies in the article any time soon. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 01:41, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, and probably a speedy one: Provided that the artist is notable, albums which don't meet NALBUM are still valid targets and should be redirected to and covered at the artist; It's (now) linked from the DAB Where I Come From. Albums should only be a pure delete if neither the artist nor the album nor any of its songs are notable. Was WP:BEFORE performed? Notability is inherent and not based on the state of the article. I see sigcov from at least four different countries at the Irish Times, the Guardian, RTE, the ABC & No Depression, etc. As for the remainder they'd need a more careful and individual consideration of notability ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 01:41, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep All and improve each through the normal editing process. Like the previous voter, I suspect that the nominator did not conduct a proper WP:BEFORE search for a single one of these albums individually, or collectively as a group nomination. The nominator also missed WP:NEXIST, which states that the current absence of sources in an article is not proof that sources do not exist at all, and that editors should search for them and add them going forward. The only album in this list that presents a bit of a problem is H Block for which I can find few reliable sources. Otherwise, every single other album in the list at least has an AllMusic review, with the exception of Lily (Christy Moore album), for which I was able to find several robust reviews in reliable and significant Irish/British magazines in mere seconds (e.g., , ). ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:21, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom and WP:NALBUM, these are little more than track listings. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 22:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:NEXIST and the previous "keep" votes. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


 * In some cases, there is a WP:V issue too. Where? Sam Sailor 08:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Several have carried the refimprove template for a long time. Christy Moore (album) has only its own sleeve notes for verification – if that is acceptable, fine, but I'd have said it is a conflict of interest and a non-independent source. Thanks. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 09:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * A COI is something else, but yes, it is not an independent source, however I do not see that these "WP:V-issues" amount to a deletion rationale (policy: WP:DEL7) it is a WP:SURMOUNTABLE problem. Sam Sailor 09:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Christy Moore (album) does only have the sleeve notes as source, there are two sources in the / External links / section. Such are called general references. It is a very common misunderstanding that references have to be inline citations to qualify. Sam Sailor 09:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, although sleeve notes are primary (and thus do not provide evidence for or against notability), there's absolutely nothing at all wrong with using them for track information, etc, ref WP:PRIMARYCARE. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is why WP:BEFORE is critical. With the total editor time that has been and will be spent on this (not only participants but also eyeball time of non-participants) you could have done a quick BEFORE and fixed up the article to the point at which it shows a level of notability. ( Ok, you could have also applied WP:BURDEN/WP:BOLD instead and redirected with Rcats Template:R from album and Template:R with history, but that's far less good ) ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 11:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Per . \\\Septrillion:- &#8237;  10 Eleventeen 20:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


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