Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whippoorwill, Kentucky


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Logan County, Kentucky. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Whippoorwill, Kentucky

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Rennick calls it a locale (geography), which falls below the WP:GEOLAND bar. Topographic maps show a small cluster of buildings. Newspapers.com results mention a Whippoorwill Creek, a Whippoorwill Church, and a Whippoorwill railroad station, but nothing indicative of a notable community. Seems to fail WP:GEOLAND as not a legally recognized community and WP:GNG is not met. Hog Farm Bacon 03:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 03:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 03:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * leaning delete The church is still there, and this history makes no mention of it being in any sort of town; it only mentions a Whippoorwill bridge. The station mention is definitely for somewhere else, as I found no sign of rails anywhere near here. I'm qualifying my response because old topos do show a small concentration of buildings, and because the area has been messed up to some extent by the four lane US highway construction, and there are lots of indications that a number a buildings have been torn down. Indeed, the GoogleCar found a decrepit garage building which in the GMaps aerial is completely gone. But I'm not convinced anyone thought of this point as a town. Mangoe (talk) 13:21, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 *  Leaning Keep I was going to say we should keep this; aside from the various bits about the church, there's this article that said it had a grocery store and a community of farmers, this article about a local homemakers' group, and this bit about a murder there. What gives me pause is the history of Whippoorwill Baptist Church that I found, which claims it's in Schochoh; this suggests that at the very least Whippoorwill isn't much of a community anymore, and what's worth noting of its history could be covered in our (admittedly very stubby) Schochoh, Kentucky article. Either way I'm not in favor of deleting it entirely. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 15:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't read the newspaper.com citation, but there's just no chance it's talking about the same church, in that Schochoh is nowhere near the supposed location of this settlement; also, from what I can tell, this church has always had its current name. The store references seems a bit more promising, though. Mangoe (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, and I should have checked that first; they're in completely different parts of the county. I think this is the Whippoorwill Church that article is about, and it's definitely in Schochoh proper. Striking the "leaning" part. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 19:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Logan County, Kentucky There really isn't anything worth merging and there really aren't any sources that fit within WP:GEOLAND. Mere inclusion on GNIS is not guarantee of notability and appears to have been one of thousands of GNIS-only stubs created en masse. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn ]] (talk) (contrib) 21:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I tripled the size of the article with everything I could find on the community. It appears it is a legally recognized place, however, as it was named as the location of an accident in a lawsuit.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Logan County, Kentucky. I don't see SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:GEOLAND offers a presumption but not a guarantee. Even if the article somehow squeaks past notability guidelines, that doesn't mean it must or should have a standalone article and this is a case where the content will be better placed in the closest parent.  // Timothy ::  talk  18:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess this is where I differ from those thinking inclusion should be, or is somehow better off, always covered in a stand alone permanent stub, as opposed to expanding an existing and "admittedly very stubby" article. This becomes even more of an issue when only GNIS ("official") is used as a sole source using "presumed notability" as an only criteria. To add to this, it becomes even more of an issue when the article is very obviously a dictionary entry.
 * I am all about historical coverage in an encyclopedia but had valid reasons for nominating the article. The "community" (obviously historical) can be found listed in the Logan County, Kentucky article so there is existing currently unsourced coverage. If all we are going to have is a permanent dictionary stub, that flies in the face of several policies and guidelines, I would think esteemed editors and Admins would not argue with redirecting this article to the more suitable place and add these found references. Then "someone", at some future time, might create a viable article. I would even wonder why this would be controversial?  --  Otr500 (talk) 06:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you meant a different place, but if you're thinking of Schochoh, Kentucky as being the more suitable place, it's actually in a completely different part of the county; I was wrong about that in my initial comment. Maybe the article could be merged somewhere else, but that wouldn't be an appropriate target. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 14:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry about any confusion. I had stated the community was already "listed in the Logan County, Kentucky article" though unsourced. Why could the references not be added there for a future article more than the mentioned dictionary entry? -- Otr500 (talk) 01:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. As of this writing, the article has three references other than the ever reliable WP:GNIS.
 * - "a collision at Whippoorwill, Kentucky". This does not indicate that there is a legally recognized, notable community at Whippoorwill.  While a lawsuit is a legal event, that it is not legal recognition of a locale.  For example if there an article about an arrest and court case because 555 1st st. had a loud party, that does not make that locale legally recognized.  There is some debate about what legally recognized means.  I feel that it includes a post office, almost no one agrees with me (which is fine).  Most people would agree that legal recognition is a place that has elected officials such as a village etc.  (There are exceptions, ask me about Gerlach, Nevada, which has an improvement district that has elected officials (but I digress)). So, being in a lawsuit does mean that the locale is legally recognized.
 * - "In 1830 a new building was erected on the same road near Whippoorwill bridge." So now we know that in 1830 there was a church near a bridge named Whippoorwill.  Still no legal recognition and a church near a bridge is not very notable.
 * - "part owner of a large general store at Whippoorwill". Ok, so now there was a church, a bridge and a general store.  Still no legal recognition and not notable.
 * Searching newspapers.com for "Whippoorwill Logan in Kentucky" finds
 * , which says that Whippoorwill is being removed from the Rand-McNally 1993 road map based on census data. Or may R-M realized that there was no there, there? :-).
 * Newspapers.com also yield hits about fishing in Big and Little Whippoorwill Creek, that there is a Whippoorwill church and more about the general store.
 * There was which is an 1883 clipping that mentions Whippoorwill Station.
 * Searching GBooks finds
 * a Whippoorwill station, and an article that indicates that Whippoorwill was not a post office ca. 1881.
 * The best thing I saw in GBooks was which lists Whippoorwill as a town or village.  However this is still not notable.  It could be that this is where Whippoorwill was added to the Logan County, Kentucky article. I encourage someone to update that article with the citation if they are so inclined.
 * Even Rennick says "Whippoorwill (Logan) - See Ferguson". Ferguson, Kentucky is in a different county and Ferguson, Logan County, Kentucky has no page.  So, the reference (Rennick) that the GNIS probably started with says "see somewhere else" and that somewhere else does not have a article.
 * The History of Kentucky (1998) mentions Whippoorwill the creek and the L&N station, but does not state that there was a community there.
 * So, in summary, Whippoorwill, which has a great name, has had a bridge, a station, a church and a general store. The station means that WP:STATION  might apply. I found no evidence of a post office, though I did find one reference that specifically states that there was no post office.  So, I have found no evidence that this locale was legally recognized.  Thus #1 of WP:GEOLAND was not met.  I found a few trivial references, but I found no non-trivial references like a book or article about the locale.  Thus #2 of WP:GEOLAND has not been met.  This locale was not and is not legally recognized and has no non-trivial coverage, so unless someone comes up with WP:RS sources that have non-trival coverage, the article should be deleted. Cxbrx (talk) 02:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


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