Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whisky and Ghosts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Antonio Margheriti. Viable AtD that preserves history should sourcing that may exist be found. Star  Mississippi  18:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Whisky and Ghosts

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Fails WP:NFILM. Passing mentions in books, no reviews found in a BEFORE. And, is this a 1974 or a 1978 film? Conflicting information in article.

PROD removed with "three sources stated, you would have to take this to AfD, Italian film post internet has WP:OFFLINESOURCES."

All the citations are passing mentions that only prove the film exists.

And, WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES isn't the best rationale to keep an article. Reviews and reliable, independent resources are required. Those can be offline, but they need to be listed if, in fact, they exist. Donald D23  talk to me  13:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Italy.  Donald D23   talk to me  13:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 16:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Prodded and sent to AfD within six days of it's creation. Old Italian cinema does have sources when you go looking for them. You say passing mention in those books, have you actually checked what's in those books? You haven't even mentioned Antonio Margheriti who was the director film-maker, who was fairly well known in Italian cinema. I do get confused by wikipedia sometimes. "Don't count your chickens before they are hatched?" Govvy (talk) 15:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If they have sources then they should have been added to the article at creation, IMHO.
 * Also, having a well know director is irrelevant because notability isn't inherited WP:NOTINHERITED.
 * Yes, I clicked on the links present and they took me to previews of the books. This one  just mentions the film's name.  This one  has one line about the film.  This one  is the exact same book as the previous citation, just with a different name. So, none of them are good enough for notability.  Donald D23   talk to me  16:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete seems clear, the books given aren't substantial sources and I can't find anything further to support keeping it. Oaktree b (talk) 17:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I can find some hints that there may be coverage, but it would need someone to look in Italian and very likely offline. Evidence in question is a snipped from this L'Espresso book containing articles from the 1970s and this one from Biance e nero. I don't think that this is really enough to fully argue that sources exist, mind you. I'd need a bit more than this, as I can't get enough of a view to tell if the snippet is from a review, a database type entry, or a passing mention. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  18:52, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak redirect to Antonio Margheriti as an ATD. This is a tough one: searching is difficult due to the name (multiple languages and different spellings of whisk[e]y) and the fact that potential sources are paywalled/offline. I agree with ROTP that there are several few indications that sourcing might exist (well-known director, mentions in tertiary sources, etc.), but ultimately after quite a bit of searching through GBooks, ProQuest, the Internet Archive (which has archives of several Italian newspapers/film magazines), etc., I haven't found any in-depth sources, much less the multiple ones that the GNG requires. Although WP:NEXIST gives us a bit of leeway here, I'm not comfortable !voting keep without more concrete evidence of notability. Happy to reconsider if anything can be found (even one good piece of sigcov would probably convince me that other sources are out there), but otherwise I think a redirect, which preserves the history in case sources come to light later, is the best option. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.