Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Aethiopians (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with a chance of WP:SNOW. Very nice work on the article! The Bushranger One ping only 07:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

White Aethiopians
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Reads like a Wikidictionary entry. Dubious ability to evolve into an article proper. Remurmur (talk) 20:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep This one is really curious. I had heard of the White Ethiopian race: and the earlier AfDs mention solid literary references, too, so this article could be, and deserves to be rescued. It needs a bit of scholarship, certainly.
 * Here are some of the refs the earlier AfD found:
 * http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/research_in_african_literatures/v042/42.1.dunton.html The First Ethiopians
 * http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/tech/summary/v047/47.1pena.html Bleaching the Ethiopians
 * http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jwh/summary/v014/14.4smith.html and http://www.scribd.com/doc/3823705/urlsatctrescd13urlhttp3A2F2Fwww-learner-org2Fchannel2Fcourses2Fworldhistory2Fsupport2Freading-6-3, What happened to the ancient Libyans? Chasing Sources across the Sahara from Herodotus to Ibn Khaldun (this is great fun, discussing how Leo Africanus, Ptolemy and Strabo all failed to verify their sources :) - no resemblance to anyone living today, then) Richard Smith, Journal of World History, Vol 14, No 4, Dec 2003, pp 459-500
 * http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-0828103-180739/ An Africanist-Orientalist Discourse
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MLvivweVbsoC&pg=PA142#v=onepage&q&f=false Affairs of West Africa, Edmund Dene Morel 1902
 * Also possibly interesting:
 * Harold G Marcus, The black men who turned white: European attitudes towards Ethiopians, 1850-1900. (1968).
 * Arysio Santos, Atlantis: The Lost Continent Finally Found. North Atlantic Books, 2011. ISBN 978-1556439568
 * The current article fails to exploit this wonderful material. That's reason to write it up, not delete, however. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, the title should either be "Leucaethiopes" in Greek-influenced Latin, after Pliny, or just "White Ethiopians" if EN is our language. Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with the title change. I don't think we should add sources to the list of references without actually using them as references however, so I hope you are going to actually use them in the article. Dougweller (talk) 07:50, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, of course you're right. We shouldn't, but it was getting late at night; and I had noticed that this AfD was partly caused by the lack of incorporation of the sources that the previous AfD had discovered, so I didn't want to lose them. Of course, they are now a stimulus to me, and I hope to those far more knowledgeable than me, to do something with them. But perhaps I'll have a simple go at it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep for the sensible reasons given by Chiswick Chap . Warden (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per the arguments in the first AfD. The nominator has made no attempt to explain why they should no longer apply. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rescue in progress - OK, I have spent some time drafting both ancient (classical) and mediaeval sources in the article itself - not finished yet. I am sure a scholar could do much better, but perhaps it will help a little. Could we put up a 'Rescue' tag perhaps? (How?) Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I can't see any problem with this article now. I don't see a need for a rescue tag either. There is no way that anyone will delete the article now. I'll ask the nominator to withdraw the nomination. Dougweller (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the article now. I don't know how to withdraw a nomination, but any admin is free to close the discussion.--Remurmur (talk) 00:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Well sourced now, thanks to the work of Chiswick Chap. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
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