Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Dawg (2nd nomination)

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep, no consensus to delete, votes evenly split between keep and delete, with the issue being whether his musical recognision is good enough for Wikipedia. Thue | talk 13:51, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

White Dawg

 * Keep : This article represents an unfortunate chapter in any investigation of contemporary youth society. Although, indeed it seems disgraceful, it reflects a truthful and accurate element of modern popular culture. Poslathian

Non-notable rapper. Hoax. SmarterChild3 07:20, 25 May 2005 (UTC) What up White Dawg? ... And Im puttin this piece back on VfD!!! ... He aint really a rapper. ... And he didn't make all those albums, he was just ... [wanting to] make his own VANITY PAGE, word. ... ... ... ... ... ... -Ness 07:20, 25 May 2005 (UTC) ... ... ... ... ... ... -Ness
 * Did a WP:RPA on the above, ... indicates cut content. Master Thief GarrettTalk 08:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Note 1: if this is deleted, someone needs to list Image:Whitedawgozone.jpg too. The other image however is currently used in a BJAODN context, therefore can remain. Master Thief GarrettTalk 08:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * This was earlier VFD'ed in 2004, and kept back then. The debate can be read at Articles for deletion/White Dawg/2004-11-25. Radiant_* 07:51, May 25, 2005 (UTC) (and I'm tempted to invoke WP:RPA on the nomination)
 * Hey yo homie, it aint no personal attack. Its an verbal assault on this WACK page which is non-notable and a hoax. It needs to be deleted. Don't let mah rhymes influence ya'll into keeping this, ya heard. Im just tired of White Dawg's attempt to hijack the Wiki-Community. -Ness
 * Dude, this is the English Wikipedia, not the San Andreas one, please don't speak in rap. And your comments went a little over the line. Master Thief GarrettTalk 08:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, a question of notability. Megan1967 07:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --213.138.128.13 07:55, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable article, and I also support Radiant's call for WP:RPA on this nom. Harro5 08:02, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Due to the consensus, I've un-offensive-ised it. Master Thief GarrettTalk 08:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is actually the second VfD debate on this article. It was kept on the first vote. Sjakkalle 08:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like the first one was a bad call, do you know where it's gone? Kappa 09:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Like I explained at the top, Articles for deletion/White Dawg/2004-11-25. Oh, and also, delete as WP:VAIN. Radiant_* 10:15, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * How did this band become less notable now than a year ago? I thought it was once notable, always notable. Sjakkalle 11:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have looked at the article, he seems to have made some top twenty list, and he has released an album. There must be some reason the last VfD ended with a keep. Sjakkalle 11:57, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Still not notable. Keep an eye on the nominator's edits too! jni 08:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Two questions:
 * 1. Does White Dawg exist?
 * 2. Did he have a top 20 hip hop hit, "Restless"?
 * As I see it, if the answer to both questions is yes, then it should be kept; otherwise probably not. Everyking 11:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Capitalistroadster 19:49, 25 May 2005 (UTC) Pleae vote KEEP to stop these sick monsters. -BrowardDawgg 23:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC) KEEP - White Dawg is crunk and represents the FLA. He is a beautiful man and a humanitarian. "I want to lick the pussy" is one of the classic amalgamations of lyricism, artistry, and scholarhsip of our time. White Dawg forever! - Jack Bauer
 * To clarify, I now believe that the answer to both is yes and therefore I vote keep. Everyking 10:18, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: I voted delete before, and I do now. There is probably hoaxing involved, plus a possibility of misapplication of titles, etc.  Geogre 12:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and I DO invoke WP:RPA. White Dawg DOES exist.  He DOES make records.  This is notable. --Kitch 13:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. On a lighter note, somewhere in BJAODN is an article on mental retardation. A picture of this rapper is included, along with the caption 'Even mentally retarded people can live relatively successful lives', or something like that. Scimitar 15:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP. How could you say White Dawg is not a real rapper? See his official website: www.whitedawgonline.com ... dig up old Billboard charts and see that his single "Restless" was a top 20 hit... do a search on a peer-to-peer network and you'll see many of his songs listed. In the earlier "votes for deletion," it was noted that there's been newsgroup discussion about him for the last six years. Votes for deletion based on him "not being real" are based on ignorance. What "hoax" is involved??? Someone should make more clear charges if they're going to use them to justify deleting an article. BrowardPlaya 17:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * He exists. He is not notable. Delete. --Conti|&#9993; 17:29, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete One top twenty hit and some local buzz does not a notable artist make. --  --Jamieli 18:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see Blu Cantrell listed on VfD and she only had 1 top 20 hit in the US. 172.128.157.85 18:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * But she made #2 on the US overall charts and #1 on the UK overall charts. Top 20 on the hip-hop chart is not nearly as notable.  This is right at the edge of notability for me, so no vote.  Barno 20:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Had one top 20 hit on the rap charts in 1999, has released an album and has an Allmusic page. This makes him notable within genre for mine.
 * Keep. Wikipedia already includes many other articles linked to this rapper which are fairly well-written and come up high on Google searches. White Dawg isn't enormously popular, but is better known than many other individuals who have articles on Wikipedia. Personally, I was aware of White Dawg's music years ago. Btw, this already went through vfd and the consensus was to keep. JMaxwell 20:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I remember this chap having a pretty poor-quality 'featured article' candidate-ship-hood a while back. I say delete, because he's not notable enough as a straightforward pop star, and not funny enough as a clever joke or amusing novelty, as with Wesley Willis or the Goldie Lookin' Chain - who would have merited an article even before their recent commercial success, in my opinion, and are far superior to White Dawg, both lyrically and rhythmically, and also philosophically. And you knows it. Note that although I lapse into humour at the end of this VFD vote, I really do genuinely vote delete, am I clear? Yes.-Ashley Pomeroy 21:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I found that rather convincing. Delete. Radiant_* 13:41, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. --Hoovernj 21:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please making the top rap charts is notable to me Yuckfoo 22:33, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This foo isn't a gangsta, he's a wanksta. Evidenced by his 'throwing' of westside hand signs even tho his whack a$$ is in nowheresville, fl. Da 'Sco Mon 22:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, unless the article is substantively false. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:04, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
 * Keep per Capitalistroadster, he meets the WP:MUSIC guidelines. Kappa 00:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - whether he's respected or not he seems to be real and meets WP:MUSIC guideline no. 1 (Top 100 in a national music chart). -- Lochaber 18:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * KEEP!!!!!!! White Dawg is a total thug and is crunked out. Yall peoplez trying to kick him off are lame HATERZ. Why you gotta hate on a thug just because hes succesful and be pimpin the bitches and showin off his BLING? And to the punk that pointed out that the radio station that nominated White Dawg is owned by him so its fake, LIES, THAT IS A LIE DAWGG, PROVE THAT SHIZ. PROVE IT, I WANT EVIDENCE. This entire nomination against White Dawg is a farce. Check it out yo:
 * 1: What changed from the first VfD to this that would merit deletion?
 * 2: If White Dawg is deleted I suppose its fine then for me to speedy delete most artists that only have a TOP TWENTY hit?
 * 3: What is the reason for this VfD? Anyone? Hoax? What Hoax? Please establish how he is not notable following the WP: MUSIC guidelines.
 * 4: There is obviously animosity against White Dawg, I added a White Dawg award to the pages of the users who voted KEEP and thus voted to defend Crunk. They were all removed. I dont see any Barnstars being removed. Can anyone EXPLAIN THIS?? User: Meelar is to blame for this.
 * 5: Look at the reasons people are voting delete, such as what gang signs are being thrown, this is not a valid reason to vote!
 * 6: The anti-White Dawg hate is prevalent in BJAODN where one of you haters compared to White Dawg to a mentally retarded person. HATERS.
 * 7: People voted to delete this while the nomination was still a personal attack rap and no reason was given. You're telling me people can judge whether to delete this solely based on a PERSONAL ATTACK?
 * 8: To the guy who keeps saying this is a hoax or parody. HOW COULD IT BE A HOAX OR PARODY OR SATIRE? EXPLAIN PLEASE. WHITE DAWG IS A THUG LIFE GANGSTA, THIS IS FOR REALS AIGHT, HE AINT PARODYING NOOO ONNNEEE.
 * 9: THere is evidence of stacking here. Notice the votes from the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 10th voters are all from feminists. It is established in the Thug Ride page that feminists have attacked White Dawg before just because he plays/pimps dem bitches and hoes like it aint no thang. So what if he fucks a girl, records it and tells her "NOW GET THE FUCK OUT BITCH!!!"? That aint no thang. Yet feminists have stacked this shiz and voted against him to take th #1 Mack Daddy down cuz they cant handle not having him for themselves. WORD.
 * 10: Once again, the nomination of real thugs to get the WHITE DAWG AWARD FOR DEFENSE OF CRUNKTITUDE is being held down by the feminist anti-rap haterz cabal.
 * 11: Vandals have clearly messed with this page ON PURPOSE to defame White Dawg, such as adding false links, until White Dawg cleared them the link that said GANGSTA RAP led to RETARD and the one that said LIL JON led to LIL RICHARD. This could have been fixed by anyone but was not because they wish to see this article fail.
 * PS, before some haterade-filled biatch claims that I am White Dawg AKA BrowardPlaya, I am not. Im a HUGE fan of White Dawg, saw this shiz on deletion here and HAD to register to vote. There are a large contingent of us White Dawg fans, we usually hang out at whitedawgonline.com -BrowardDawgg 23:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete just to piss off these dumbshits who can't spell, have bought in hook, line, and sinker to all this "crunk" and "bling" nonsense, and because this twat of a rapper is completely non-notable. Only reason I've even heard of this mong is because of "Bad Jokes...." -Tetsuo1 04:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I removed an award this user had given, but a top 20 hit (even on the rap charts) and an Allmusic page is notable. Meelar (talk) 00:06, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable. JamesBurns 10:04, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * O......     M......      G.    (Keep per WP:MUSIC)    &mdash; Teknic  18:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * And maybe investigate Image:Whitedawgozone.jpg as possible copyvio of http://www.ozonemag.com/oct2003/index.html  &mdash; Teknic  18:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think magazine covers are fair use, like CD and book covers? Everyking 19:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Your probably right, however I'm talking about stealing the jpg of the cover from a site instead of scanning the cover yourself. If I may contrive a stupid scenario: What if I photograph the cover of a magazine and put it on a website.  Can somebody else then steal that image from my website under magazine cover fair use?  What if I dropped some cookie crumbs on the magazine and they ended up in the photo?  Those crumbs are my art!  &mdash; Teknic T-M-C 19:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * But, on the other hand, when the magazine site's already got a direct Photoshop dump of the cover, how could your scan *ever* be as good? Even if you had a mint copy and knew how to set up your scanner software correctly, the official rip is still faster and better. Master Thief GarrettTalk 06:33, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point. Their image file would be far better than anybody else could do which is why they should have sole rights to it (the jpg).   &mdash; Teknic T-M-C 23:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and teach VfD voters proper English. &mdash; Phil Welch 05:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Cheesus Christ Keep. Please refer to WP:MUSIC before wasting our time on VfD.   &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 06:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Homie just aint got the bump n grind, the hustle n flow, the rhymes ya know? Throwin out signs that dont belong, be frontin like a chump! Plus hes non-notable -CondeNasty 09:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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