Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Serbs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

White Serbs

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Procedural nomination. tag was added to article on 12 January. Talk page consensus leans toward conclusion that this is a hoax and no one has come along to refute the hoax claim. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that article should be deleted (in fact I thought i asked an admin over a year ago to do so). Poorly written, and the contents can be covered in an article about Serbs per se Hxseek (talk) 00:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I also support deletion of this article. The article seems to be a rehash (and a mish mash) of Romantic era nationalistic legends with little factual value, and very often in contradiction of accepted historical consensus. Nevertheless, the article presents bold assertions as if they were historical facts. There is a great deal of OR and synthesis. Whatever there is of value is already in the article on Serbs. This article serves no purpose, is non-encyclopedic, and should be deleted in its entirety. It is highly unlikely that it could be improved to the point that it warrants inclusion in Wikipedia. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 03:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Article is well referenced, with historical references. --Tadija (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - For what is supposedly a tribe that existed in the heartland of Europe, there seems to be very little coverage of the topic. A Google Books search reveals the following mentions:
 * Rex germanorum, populos sclavorum: an inquiry into the origin & early... (2001) by Ivo Vukcevich - link
 * "It is a matter of record that the Serb ethnonym was as common east of the Oder as it was in the White Serb heartland west of the Oder. (p. 91)"
 * "A number of early German historians are certain that the White Serbs were the first to settle Germania's White Serbia. (p. 370)"
 * Byzantium in the seventh century, Volume 1 (1968) by Andreas Nikolaou Stratos - link
 * "Many sources refer to the existence of White Croat and White Serb States in the areas beyond the Carpathians. Finally, these tribes were subjected by the Avars and became part of their great Empire. (p. 330)"
 * and virtually nothing else. A lack of coverage in English-language sources by itself does not prove that the article is a hoax or a myth presented as fact, especially if such coverage is available in non-English sources, but it is a 'red flag' for a topic such as this. If the article is deleted, then it may be necessary to edit any articles which link to it (see Special:WhatLinksHere/White Serbs). –Black Falcon (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with the deletion proposed. The article draws on some scarce medieval sources and expands on them in a speculative manner. The only other reference given is fringe science, quite likely with a nationalistic background. No consensus in the historic community can be presented as it does not exist (other than a likely rejection of the thesis). The Wikipedia policy on this kind of issues is clear. -- Zz (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.