Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Spire School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to West Bletchley. There is fairly clear consensus that this subject should not exist as a separate article, but some support for the alternative of merging it elsewhere. West Bletchley happens to provide a reasonable target for the latter purpose. The subject can be broken out into a separate article again if, in the future, additional reliable sources are found providing substantial coverage of the subject. BD2412 T 00:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

White Spire School

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I could not find any evidence to show that this can pass WP:NSCHOOL or WP:GNG. Best source looks to be this which is not sufficient. Spiderone 19:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  19:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  19:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete All I could find was some brief mentions in books about special education that seem to just be directory listing type stuff. Outside of that I couldn't find anything though. Not even the usual run of the news stories. So, this doesn't seem to have the multiple in-depth reliable sources it needs to pass either WP:GNG or WP:NORG. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait You could say that about all public secondary schools. This school is more notable than average locally only in the disabilities of its pupils. I can't see how anyone can justify deleting this school without also deleting every school in Schools in Milton Keynes and then Schools in Buckinghamshire and Schools in England while the iron is hot. I advise thinking carefully about where this could end up before you start. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please can you provide sources to prove that this school is more notable than average? Spiderone  19:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, sloppy use of words. I didn't mean wp:notable. "Noticeable" might be a better way of putting it. But this is beside the point, which is that the average secondary school (high school) is not wp:notable, anywhere in the UK. What I am saying is that we either delete all secondary schools or we delete none: what we don't do is start with a special school unless we want to be especially lacking in political nous. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * From my recolection this isn't the first AfD about a secondary in the UK. I'm pretty sure some have been kept to, or not even sent to AfD in the first place because they are clearly notable. The state of an article at AfD does not represent the state of every article in Wikipedia on that topic. Adamant1 (talk) 00:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * My main issue is that I'm struggling to even find routine coverage on this school, which isn't helped by its small size I suppose. At least schools like Denbigh School and Shenley Brook End School will get a lot of local coverage and the odd mention in national media   Spiderone  08:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORGCRIT / WP:NSCHOOL. No sources in article and WP:BEFORE did not show anything that is WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth.  // Timothy ::  talk  11:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. In 2007 or even 2013, one could argue that "notability" is itself arguable, or that we have to chose all or none, but according to my calendar, this is 2020. We have had very many discussions in the past seven years about the notability of secondary schools/programmes. This is clearly not notable, and the consensus is that we almost always merge in back into the larger school district or system, for those schools that have no or little sourcing. Until we have a policy on "noticeability", that's not a serious argument. Bearian (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to agree that except that we don't have a the concept of School Districts in the UK. We had Local Education Authority but that's mostly gone now. In other contexts, I have argued for trivial articles about districts, villages and hamlets to be upmerged to their respective civil parish, so I would have proposed exactly your compromise had I seen a way to do it. This has to be the way forward, if anyone can think of a way to do it? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 01:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.