Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Steel, Blue Ice and Dusty Swords


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

White Steel, Blue Ice and Dusty Swords
Vanity article about a non-notbale book, published by a vanity press (PublishAmerica). Book is listed on Amazon, however has a sales rank of over 180,000 Wildthing61476 20:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

This is an actual published book that has sold over 500 copies so far. It can be found in bookstores in Iowa, Washington, and North Carolina. It can be ordered from Barnes and Nobles bookstores and is now located in some libraries as well.

The page being contested was not written to promote sales of the book. In fact, there is nowhere that states where the book can be purchased. It is merely an informational piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mundxanth (talk • contribs)

Delete This is a vanity advertisement of a book. I can't rationalize keeping it. Sorry Mundxanth, but just because you, or somebody else publishes a book, doesn't mean it belongs on Wikipedia. Try again when it has sold over 10K. FrozenPurpleCube 21:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Manticore. 500 copies is... well, not enough to assert notability on sales alone. -- Kicking222 22:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Perhaps it is a bit of vanity that the novel is listed here. But isn't that what makes Wikipedia better than the Britannica?  That *any* information is available here?  Having read the novel, I found it delightful in the traditions of McCaffery and Lackey.  I was pleased to see it listed here on Wikipedia as I do use this site for researching and the random informational article.  Where is it stated that a writer must have a certain number of sales to list the information about something?  For a relatively unknown pair of writers, 500 is pretty good.  For you to require sales of 10K is somewhat unrealistic and unfair. It would exclude a number of informative and educational articles.
 * Comment I'm confused by your statement and your summary. You think the article SHOULD be deleted, yet it's a shame it IS being deleted? As for where is it stated about authors, quoting from WP:BIO "Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work". This book clearly does not have that, and as a book that has only sold 500 copies, is not nearly notable for an article on Wikipedia. Wildthing61476 17:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:BOOK. As for the argument that any information is available on Wikipedia, well that's a common misconception. However our policies state that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information or a soapbox. Pascal.Tesson 23:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


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