Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Who's Your Step Daddy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Nomination withdrawn in light of article improvement. LibStar (talk) 08:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Who's Your Step Daddy

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fails WP:NALBUMS. a mere 3 gnews hits. . no evidence of significant indepth coverage or charting. directory listings in music websites is not indepth coverage LibStar (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

'Keep' the article clearly complies with WP:NALBUMS, in that if the musician or ensemble is notable, and if the album in question has been mentioned in multiple reliable sources, then their officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Funkoars are clearly a notable Australian group and the album is mentioned in multiple reliable sources.Dan arndt (talk) 09:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * please provide evidence of indepth coverage in multiple reliable sources not just passing mentions. LibStar (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:47, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Strong Keep As Dan has argued the group is notable, as per WP:NALBUMS these sub articles are more about providing reference information on specific releases to de-clutter the main articles of bands. I could grab debut album articles pre 2007 from most notable bands and they'd prove difficult to reference. If it's truly necessary I am happy to go dig up more references, but it's not needed as the only claim which needs verification for an article like this is the existence and details of the release itself. Stevezimmy (talk) 10:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * note to closing admin this vote was clearly WP:CANVASSed.[en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stevezimmy&diff=prev&oldid=433509600] also Stevezimmy turns up in response on User talk:Dan arndt to tell everyone to vote "strong keep" and don't reference. LibStar (talk) 06:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * just because a band/artist is notable does not automatically mean its albums are notable. Also see WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * RE WP:MUSTBESOURCES please see my note RE unnecessarily over sourcing - something which is already happening to this article. It's designed as a stub reference point under WP:NALBUMS and shouldn't be referenced to the nines. Creating unnecessary AfD's on the early works of notable artists simply drives editors to dredge up scores of brief mentions. This work is notable for where it lead the group, e.g. to their later albums, and is an important reference article which fits easily within the scope of the wiki project. Taking the content and placing it in the main article, where one could not argue for it's deletion, would be messy and stupid. That's why this template exists. It's quite obvious this AfD is going to conclude in retaining the article, so my suggestion would be not to waste time over referencing the stub and to invest the same energy in building new pages. Stevezimmy (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

'Keep' this album is mentioned on these sites [all aussie hip hop], [soulclap records interview], [dB magazine (SA street press)], [Adelaide clubber feature article] (mentions production by Sesta and Trials, who have also produced for the Hilltop Hoods. also, as I understand it, this album + their 2006 release (greatest hits) was one reason the Hilltop Hoods chose them for support of the 'Hoods tour. also, this album was one reason Vents was given the chance to work with other Australian hip hop bands/artists (he was a guest MC on this album), and go on the Obese Block Party tours (which, if you're an Aus hip hop artist, is one of the best/most respected tours to go on) (see [australian made music]). also note WP:SEP & the Q. Why don't you go and look for sources? point on WP:MUSTBESOURCES, hopefully @LibStar you will help us to improve the article using the gnews results you found?? if we all help, it makes it easier, right? :) I'll add the ones I found Kathodonnell (talk) 12:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC) *note to closing admin as much as kathodonnell has put in an effort to find sources again this vote was canvassed. [en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kathodonnell&diff=prev&oldid=433361040]. LibStar (talk) 06:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * allaussiehiphop seems a blog site for hip hop fans rather than a reliable source. this one makes a one line mention of the album. soulclap records is in fact a store that specialises in hip hop...hardly third party when the store aims to sell hip hop artists records. there needs to be indepth coverage in reliable third party sources. LibStar (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * agree that all aussie hip hop is written by fans - but it is a small team of dedicated writers, and they are considered a respected publication in the Australian hip hop community. similarly, yes Soul Clap is a record store, but they also interview artists to help support the Aus hip hop music community/industry. I consider both of them as reliable publications if you consider the context of the music style, as mentioned on reliable source. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. many publications in 2011 use CMS/blog style back-ends for the publications as these are easier to maintain. also, many of the street press have been closing down so the writers from these have been writing for 'blogs' or online magazines. Kathodonnell (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * the more independent the source, the more reliable it is. sources too connected to the subject matter can be biased or promotional. LibStar (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, I understand this. I try to find academic references if possible. Tony Mitchell's Local Noise site does have a few mentions of Funkoars [here] but they are from other hip hop artists mentioning the band during interviews – not speaking about this album in particular. the LN site is Mitchell's interview project – he went on to write many published papers about Australian hip hop after (& prior) to these interviews. I've also searched [music research papers site] and there's no mention of Funkoars or the album. but frankly, there's not many prominent academics writing on Australian hip hop anymore – they seemed to prefer it when it was new and a marginal style. despite the rise in it's popularity in culture – in fact, tonight Bliss'n'Eso & Horrorshow played a gig in Brisbane to a crowd of 8000 people – which imo, the rise of popularity in the past 5 years is due partly to the work of artists since 80s/90s/early 2000s – each has built on the previous' work. there are so few Australian pages on wikipedia, and even fewer on Aus music – many respected artists are not here. I think it's important we try keep/improve the pages that are here and deserve to be. I'll goto the library on the weekend and look at some magazines. in any case I don't think this page should be deleted. it needs improvement, sure, but not deletion. Kathodonnell (talk) 14:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

it does not have to be academic sources, it can be major newspapers. LibStar (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * personally I think newspapers are just as promotional as online sources. they are trying to sell their publication too. and often have writers with less expertise in different fields. which newspapers did you search, so I don't double up? Kathodonnell (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * here's an interview on inthemix for the album launch - it's mostly an Aus dance music site, though sometimes there's hip hop mentioned too. I've asked the band on twitter if they have press clippings to search for some more – this was one they replied with. I'll post more if I hear of them Kathodonnell (talk) 14:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * comment(keep) since I noticed in your(Libstar) contributions that your looking for uninvolved admin opinion I thought I'd respond. This clearly one of the most frivolus afd nominations I've seen. With ten reference it clearly meets WP:GNG and as the number of google news hits isn't a criteria for deletion that irelevant. I could guarantee that if I close this afd as should be done you'd be screaming to every notice board ecause I disagree with your opinion on another afd. Gnangarra 06:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * hardly Gnangarra, you're now resorting to personal attacks. if this is closed as keep then I will accept. LibStar (talk) 07:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.