Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiggleball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiggleball

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 * Deletion proposed - non-notable or ficticious game, no references or Google hits. Rcawsey (talk) 11:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as hoax. Mangoe (talk) 17:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Durn shame that someone went to all the trouble to create this. At least I learned what a castor board is (it's one of those Ripstik things that looks like a wobbly skateboard).  The "sport" is played by people who stand on the boards and skate with a basketball to a goal, and it's legal to knock someone down.  Sounds like a homicide waiting to happen.  Mandsford (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete This is a legitimate game that is soon to exist in the form of a club sport after school in Charlotte Mecklenburg. As far as "sounding like a homicide waiting to happen", players wear safety gear, and it is certainly less dangerous than skateboarding at skateparks, or playing American Football and Rugby. Because the board stops when there isn't weight on it, it cannot slip out from under you and knock you off balance. This game is not fictitious, as it is indeed played, and it is notable because it will soon be a club in Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tykool123 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)  — Tykool123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * When the kids of Charlotte, North Carolina manage to convince anyone else in the world to care about this, then it can have an article. At the moment, no Google hits implies no notability. Mangoe (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't Delete While this game is relatively new, it is growing exponentially. This will no doubt be unquestionably notable within the year, so why even have this argument? *Don't Delete But did nurdling have an awesome official logo? Why censor this anyway? It certainly isn't hurting anybody, and everything on the page is true. How can a sport ever become notable if it is censored before its rise? Would the accompaniment of a website to cite add credibility? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tykool123 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC) — Tykool123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Don't Delete This page allows for people who are interested in playing the game to have a place where they can access all the rules and gameplay. This will allow for farther spread of the game, and a site readily available to anyone about the game unlike private sites such as facebook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugman77 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Soon to exist? WP:CRYSTAL maybe. If it's notable in a year, come back with evidence. As it is, there's none. There are many small localised sports that fail on notability (the version of nurdling I used to play in my youth for one), and I'm afraid this is one. Or maybe it's one of those 'bored afternoon' things... Peridon (talk) 20:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You've already said don't delete before. Remember that AFD is a discussion, not a vote. MuZemike 21:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Nonnotable game, looks like something made up one day. See above comment that this game is "soon to exist".  NawlinWiki (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't delete it...it's a legitimate game that's fun to play and lots of time was put into the creation of this game. Right now it's not as big as baseball,sure, but the page should stay. The game will grow more with word of mouth. It's already quickly growing around Charlotte  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.40.177.160 (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't Delete Tykool123's comment is out of context, as he implied that the Charlotte Mecklenburg league is soon to exist, not the game itself. Also, take a look at tykool123's last comment. He speaks words wise beyond his years. (not sure what age that is)

Don't Delete as to "looks like something made up one day..." of course, every game was made up one day, then they grow over time. This is happening here, it is growing. Just because something is new doesn't mean it has no potential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugman77 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even though it could exist, notability has not been established yet. Any claim to future notability is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Note: I striked obvious duplicate votes, even though I believe there are other dupes.Tavix (talk) 23:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

This is for discussion, it's not a majority vote. Plus you crossed out one that was from a different person. — Ugman77 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. I can understand the points that you guys are making for the deletion of this page, but can someone explain what to me what the HARM is in keeping it, seeing as it is not at all falsified? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tykool123 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. A lot of the pro-keep arguers here seriously need to look at WP:CRYSTAL. Notability and future tense statements are incompatible. Not literally, but hopefully you get my meaning. You cannot argue something is notable because it will some day be notable. For one thing, that means by definition it ISN'T notable. For another, your prediction may very well be wrong anyway. There has yet to be a non-deletion argument made in this AfD that does not run afoul of WP:CRYSTAL, or WP:IKNOWIT. - Vianello (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per lack of verifiability as well as crystalballery. We do not create Wikipedia articles to boost popularity of someone or something—that is called spamming, which is not allowed. As also noted in Talk:Wiggleball, Wikipedia is not your own web host to act as a repository and promotion vehicle of this madeup sport. Perhaps if the sport garners significant coverage via reliable secondary sources, then it may be suitable for inclusion in the future, but not now. MuZemike 00:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Response. See WP:NOHARM. - Vianello (talk) 01:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I understand the whole crystalball deal, but this sport already exists, it is not a made up thing or a prediction. It is a real sport, with rules that are to be followed. Therefore, if anyone hears of it, and wants to find out what it is, which is what wiki is used for, to find out info about something, then they will find the page on wiggleball and be able to be infomed, thus completing wikipedia's purpose. Therefore, i believe it should stayEmunchkinman353
 * And as far as the harm, if we were to keep articles based on every new idea that someone conceived, we would be overrun with articles about people's ideas, which is why Wikipedia has all these rules about being limited to "notable" topics. Surprisingly, we get lots of proposed articles about games and sports that people have invented, and some of them are very interesting.  As the parent of two teenagers who are good at skateboarding, I like the idea of a ball game played on Ripstiks (the knock-down rule, however, is nuts).  And believe it or not, lots of us have invented games that were popular with our friends.  I hope that you can attract the attention of the local news, but until you get that attention, the article doesn't meet the notability test. Mandsford (talk) 02:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as the spam claim, this is just a means of making information about this sport available, not a promotional tool for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.41.206 (talk) 02:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Besides, wouldn't it be a shame for nobody to see that beautiful logo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.41.206 (talk) 02:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Who gets final say on deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.41.206 (talk) 03:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Response.An admin, after the five day discussion period. By the by, please try to group your comments together for readability. - Vianello (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - just a bunch of kids mucking about, extremely unlikely to ever be the subject of coverage by third party reliable sources -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiggleball exists also in Chester County PA and is a largely growing sport in the Downingtown and Exton Regions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.36.105 (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Response. Please feel free to provide a source that demonstrates this. - Vianello (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.